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points by Animats 4 days ago | 0 comments
Now go watch "Kono Express". Disney laid off an animator from the Star Wars factory, and he's cranking out stuff about as good as Disney Animation all by himself. With Unreal Engine and AI tools, of course.

It's been a long time since there was an ink and paint department.

[–] TomGarden 4 days ago
I opened this with an open mind, but it felt dead and AI immediately to me. Neural Viz, however, had succeeded in making things I find watchable all by himself[0] by working around some of the current weaknesses and by having stellar human writing. Perhaps unsurprisingly, it seems he got burnt out from doing it all alone so it's been a while since the last upload. The Remo Green one is my favorite[1].

[0]https://www.wired.com/story/the-future-of-ai-media-parody-of...

[1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bYA2Rv2CQ8

[–] pants2 4 days ago
Neural Viz had really good consistency and really good scripts, also importantly knew to write the story around the limitations in what AI could do, including using non-human characters to avoid that uncanny valley that I immediately see in the Kono Express video. Truly a master at his craft, it's a shame he hung it up!
[–] Animats 4 days ago
> I opened this with an open mind, but it felt dead and AI immediately to me.

Episode 1 is. He's getting better at this. By episode 3, the characters have come alive and the scenery is really good.

[–] guitarlimeo 4 days ago
What? In episode 3 at 0:30 he's coming out from a waterway to a junction but 5s later there's a wall standing exactly where he came from. The characters are horribly bland, there's no weight or fun to him surfing the water, he's stiff as a statue on it when a protagonist on a board usually is depicted as really skilled on their vehicle of choice.

Not to mention that all of the imagery has this oversharp AI quality to it + there's random blurring happening all over the screen at random locations, presumably because the video generation is happening in 5s intervals.

The dog-like creature on the ship was a fun addition but for some reason there was this long awkward silence before, during and after Kuno pet it.

If this is your definition of an alive character then I suggest you go read some quality books or watch quality series made before 2022.

[–] latexr 4 days ago
> about as good as Disney Animation

I’ve never seen a Disney animation where they focus on the character’s shoes so they can magically tie a shoelace that is already tied, then put on a jacket through the sleeve, then walk a boring long time with bad cuts and choppy frames so the character can put on another jacket from the front which morphs into a onesie.

I disagree it gets much better after episode 3, as you claim in other comments. Gave episode 4 a shot and it’s still full of stiff movement, bad faces, bad pacing, bad dialogue.

That anyone thinks this looks like professional animation is the reason professionals are struggling. Let’s stop devaluing the craft and start paying attention to what goes into it. Details make the piece.

[–] nstart 4 days ago
Seeing comments here arguing about the quality of this. To me it shows how much loss of love there is for the details in arts. Episode 1 for example immediately starts with jank when the camera shifts to the closeup of the guy packing the bag. Suddenly the woman in the background is in a position that should be impossible relative to where he was in the first shot. In any normal film it would be jarring. A 1st semester film student with a smartphone would know to setup the scene better than that.

Saw folks saying it improves in each episode. Skipped to chapter 6. First shot shows a disjointed stairway. And then a boy coming skating into view in a different spot and picking up the board which flips in an impossible way.

There's interesting stuff being experimented on in the AI video space that I keep an eye on. The Naruto "live action" is an interesting experiment that pushes the boundary on character + scene control. It's obvious copyright to me and probably gets far purely because of the source material it can reference. Which means artists have done a lot of the visual hard work already. But it's still a good example of where the frontier could be if piloted carefully. This kono express however, is in fact, slop.

[–] dahart 3 days ago
Interesting, had never heard of Kono Express. It definitely looks a little ‘Unreal’, has video game vibes. The quality is pretty good at a glance, especially the environments and effects, but it doesn’t feel all the way there under scrutiny. This reminds me of all AI generated stuff (so far) - looks great from a distance but from up close you see glaring problems. The lipsync feels automated and robotic all the way through well past ep3, for example. Very little action in the whole series.

TBH I think it’s a big mistake to compare this to hand-animated Disney material. They are just very different things, and the debatable comparison will just cause people to focus on what’s wrong with Kono. If you think it’s good, just talk about the good qualities and share it. Also don’t forget the AI is trained on Disney material, and with heavy AI, it’s highly questionable whether you can credit one person for “cranking out stuff”.

What is the ink & paint comment about? The article doesn’t mention ink & paint…

[–] shooly 4 days ago
> he's cranking out stuff about as good as Disney Animation all by himself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikm5lP0zsi0

Yeah... no. Not at all. It's just classic AI slop.

[–] monk_grilla 4 days ago
The fact that someone can honestly say this is anywhere near the level of any professional animation is truly baffling.

Just the first two shots alone are full of horrible, stilted and morphing animation, no consistency between shots, no particular art style at all.

This is not a creative work or art in any form I recognise.

[–] Animats 4 days ago
He didn't start getting it right until around episode 3, "The Reckless Newcomer".
[–] Citizen_Lame 3 days ago
This has nothing to do with animation, it's pure AI slop. Everything is bland, characters, story etc. I've seen far better AI videos.