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points by NikolaNovak 3 days ago | 0 comments

I've never been involved in such a situation, but I assume part of individual's calculation is: If I indicate interest, but the company doesn't accept it or go through with it and keeps me... am I now viewed as a disloyal, detached worker?

[–] arebop 3 days ago

I've been given such an offer. The company gave eligible employees X days to opt in and then it gave itself Y days to decide which volunteers would get buyouts. This matter of loyalty perception was certainly a live question for the employees. But also the company did iterative buyouts so in later rounds there was some evidence available to the current prospects about how employees were treated earlier. Not so much in what opportunities were withheld from the "disloyal" but in the take rate of volunteers and in the probability of being "laid off" given the receipt of an earlier buyout offer.

[–] peterbell_nyc 3 days ago

Ahhh, I retract my previous statement. I assumed it was "do you want to accept the offer". If it is "do you want to be considered for the offer" that's a little more complicated...

[–] milesvp 3 days ago

very much this. I was denied 2 rounds in 2008. I knew too many of the systems to risk losing me. Was sort of ok with it in at the time, and the length of the recession made me really happy in retrospect. Today I recognize offering to be let go as risky, since upper management may see you as a flight risk, which changes future layoffs and makes you slightly more likely to be included.

[–] skirmish 3 days ago

Did you ask for a raise immediately since they thought you were so essential?

[–] milesvp 3 days ago

In the fastest shrinking industry at the time? I think the phrase has something to do with blood and a turnip…

I was actually thrilled with my cola that year along with the required vacation time.

Honestly it was a very weird time. Less than a year prior I had worked in a real estate office, and there was a lot of scary stuff already starting to happen.

[–] ricardobayes 3 days ago

Anecdotal, but I had an acquaintance try to use the buyout and was point blank told by management "it's not for you".

[–] brainwad 3 days ago

At Google it was really rare to be denied, and if they did then it was kinda a negotiating chip for you - if you're so important to the company they won't let you leave, then are they going to pay you accordingly?

[–] whoamii 3 days ago

Company sends you offer first

[–] peterbell_nyc 3 days ago

Not a problem. While it is reasonable to consider the signaling impact of all your comms at work, if you take this, they'll smile at getting closer to quota and wish you well.

Reasons to accept. Reasons to decline, but that isn't one of them.