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points by Maxion 3 days ago | 0 comments
AFAIK problem with all physical energy storage solutions is just one of cost.

Batteries are scheduled to become so cheap that these type of physical storage systems just won't be able to keep up in terms of cost.

Most pumped hydro projects are now put on hold as batteries have been coming down.

[–] Flere-Imsaho 3 days ago
I've recently learnt about sodium ion batteries, such as this uk company:

https://www.elevenenergy.co.uk/#sodium-ion

They are larger than lithium batteries, but potentially cheaper and better performing around temperature extremes.

[–] chickenbig 2 days ago
> Batteries are scheduled to become so cheap

Wait, you can schedule price drops?

https://www.nature.com/articles/nenergy2017110 / https://www.cell.com/joule/abstract/S2542-4351(18)30583-X make the battery takeover look like a foregone conclusion, but past performance is no indication of future performance.

Also what about the systems to turn the batteries into something useable? It is telling how cheap lead-acid batteries looked on the first paper's Figure 2, yet overall system costs were vastly higher.

[–] tim333 2 days ago
You can get a reasonable idea in the near term from the announcements of CATL and BYD who are building the things.

Like CATL announced a cost of $19 per kwh. https://electrek.co/2026/07/16/catl-sodium-ion-15000-cycle-g...

which I think is far cheaper than the prices in your links. I think they'll have a job going lower for a while as the raw materials are ~$10.

I think the actual cost to buy one now it more $40-60. The $19 is probably their target in a while.

If you spread $60 over 15000 cycles that's 0.4c per kwh stored and returned which is pretty cheap compared to what I pay for electicity (~$35c).

[–] chickenbig 2 days ago
> Like CATL announced a cost of $19 per kwh > I think the actual cost to buy one now it more $40-60.

Plus battery assembly and installation costs (inverter, grid connection).

> If you spread $60 over 15000 cycles

A 30 year lifetime (11k cycles if charged/discharged once a day). Using a 5% discount rate the cost goes up to 0.78c/kWh for the cells. The cost goes up if it can not cycle once a day, for instance intermittent source of energy or excess capacity. And the cost goes up with all the rest of the equipment involved, and round trip efficiency.