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points by CalRobert 3 days ago | 0 comments
Why?
[–] 3D30497420 3 days ago
> Without declaration, there is not only a risk of grid overload and regular shutdowns of inverters, but technicians are also exposed to real danger during their interventions. An undeclared installation can cause serious electrical risks if technicians do not have the necessary information to work safely.

https://www.brussels.be/how-report-solar-panels-brussels

I have no idea how serious these reasons actually are. It seems registration is free, though you do need to have a digital meter, which may incur extra costs. The system is apparently designed to encourage self-usage rather than feeding back to the grid.

I don't really know the benefit of not registering. To register you may need an inspection, which could be a pain and cost some money. But if you've spent a bunch of money on a system... why not do the seemingly small extra steps?

[–] pyrale 2 days ago
> I have no idea how serious these reasons actually are.

Basically, the grid was built with the assumption that plants produce power, and that households only consume it. That means opening a breaker between the transport grid and the distribution lines should allow to safely work on the consumer-bound side.

That assumption no longer works if consumers energize the network, and while I assume workers have safety guidelines to check the line before starting work, there is still a risk.

Fixing this issue would require new remotely-operated breakers to be installed, which is costly, and it's hard to justify installing them proactively just in case.

[–] bluGill 2 days ago
Linemen have long be trained that a wire is either live or they have personally shorted it to ground. Even before solar, there are a lot of people with generators who didn't disconnect correctly.
[–] pixl97 2 days ago
When things like power lines fall down the system will detect and disconnect that portion of the grid, one problem with things like personal solar generation is you can keep feeding power to the fault and melt things down.
[–] bluGill 2 days ago
While possible, the reality is in almost all cases your home system will shut itself down from overload first.
[–] grumbelbart2 2 days ago
> Fixing this issue would require new remotely-operated breakers to be installed, which is costly, and it's hard to justify installing them proactively just in case.

No, the fix for this issue is that the inverter of your local solar installation checks if the grid delivers a 50 or 60 Hz waveform, and breaks if it does not. This is pretty much the standard in any installation today, and it's mandatory whether you declare your installation or not.

Side note, there is recently a push to vary the allowed deviation from 50/60 Hz a bit for each installation. The risk is that if all installations stop delivering at, say 50.1 Hz, then if the grid exceeds that value for some reason, there would be a very sudden drop in supply since all solar installations shut off at the same time.

[–] pyrale 2 days ago
> No, the fix for this issue is that the inverter of your local solar installation checks if the grid delivers a 50 or 60 Hz waveform, and breaks if it does not.

It's hard to apply regulation to people who already decided to skip declaring their setup. If everything was done by the book, the stuff would be declared.

[–] rsynnott 2 days ago
Generally the fix is to either have the inverter shut down if the grid fails, or automatically isolate the premises if the grid fails.
[–] cestith 2 days ago
Isolation via a transfer switch or breaker lockouts is the right solution. If the grid fails and your power inverter shuts down, your house is without AC power.
[–] pjc50 2 days ago
Similarly the UK requires a "g98" notification for all solar installation, including balcony. But it's just a web form and free.

I have been wondering if there is a smart way to make use of "island" solar at home, but not thought of one other than heating assist (pipe tape heater).

[–] ben_w 2 days ago
I picked up one of these because of how cheap it is; can charge anything with a USB port, laptops, phones, torches, etc.

- https://www.action.com/de-de/p/3222881/re-load-solarmodul/

- https://www.action.com/de-de/p/3222880/re-load-faltbares-sol...

Despite the low capacity, given what can be done with a phone and a laptop, this is still potentially useful.

[–] holgerschurig 2 days ago
It happens that people need in planning things want to have numbers.

So for example a high voltage power line is planned to be installed between point A and B. Now, probably some land has to be bought. But maybe not everyone sells land. So maybe land is seized, for the good of all. But ... is it really for the good of alL? The government MUST know beyond a doubt it that line is really worthwhile for the entirety. They need hard planning numbers.

There are numerous scenarios available where a government --- or even private companies --- need dependable statistical numbers to do planning.

And that is e.g. the reason why in Germany businesses have to wire lots of data to a government statistical bureau. We all can then get the relevant statistics out of the 16 state and the one federal offices of statistics. Or (e.g in Germany) the "Bundesnetzagentur" uses it base decisions about the grid on it.

Or private people need to register (cost free, via web, at least in Germany) their balcony solar. Compared to what the businesses have to tell this is almost negligible. It only makes sense due to the sheer number of balcony solar installations.

[–] CalRobert 2 days ago
Thanks. My question was genuine since I thought most places didn’t require it for small (e.g. balcony) solar
[–] archerx 3 days ago
To fine them and make them pay continuous taxes of course!
[–] holgerschurig 2 days ago
Well, actually not. At least not in my country.

Governments have conflicting goals. You think "raise taxes" is the most important goal. But, believe it or not, some governments -- even conservative ones -- also have goals like "protect the envirnment".

In Germany for example, you are nominally required to register your balcony solar. Online, no fee. So it's easy. But .. there are no fines attached if you don't do it. And they don't ask for any taxes.

They are HAPPY that you do your local electricity power after Putin turned off gas export and it turned out that LPG import is way more costly (due to cooling and pressure, a lot of the stored energy is used for that during the transport/processing on that).

In Germany, there was even a process where the politics told the electrical engineers to not be so anal about electric security to make plug in of these devices into normal sockets a possibility. The VDE only wanted special sockets to be used. The politics said "Nope, too expensive for the normal people".

The idea that legislative and executive is only working AGAINST the people is invalid.