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points by bko 2 days ago | 0 comments
It's funny you compare it to bicycle racing rather than automotive technology which I imagine you would have to concede that pushing the frontier of things like fuel efficiency and safety would be good.

This stuff reads as cope by scientists who spent their entire careers chasing these problems. The idea that someone was just around the corner to solving a problem that's been outstanding for decades, and the model used their brilliant recent insights to crack it (ignoring the cutoff date, that would have to be fabricated as well).

Why aren't you excited for pushing the frontier of knowledge. Unless you think math is really a jobs program for gifted individuals keeping them busy and unproductive.

[–] rickdeckard 2 days ago
> "This stuff reads as cope by scientists who spent their entire careers chasing these problems."

This seems to be really hard for some people to understand:

The gripe is not how AI has "cheated" and wasn't "embracing the race", everyone agrees that it's the result that counts.

The problem is that researchers use AI as a tool, and the company owning the tool siphoned all data from the sum of all researchers, combined it and completed the research. Okay, result is reached, still arguably good.

But the company owning the tool now takes credit for the entire research.

"Inviting" selected researchers to be mentioned in the press-release is not fixing that, the entire body of work is actually based on what the sum of researchers did, even those who failed in their research and didn't publish anything.

[–] pfdietz 2 days ago
This sort of argument becomes increasingly ludicrous with time. It requires that all sorts of results were made unknowingly by mathematicians but they somehow didn't realize it. It's actually a stunning indictment of mathematicians.

No, what is happening is that the AI is really good at connecting the dots and human mathematicians aren't.

OpenAI is explicitly not taking credit, btw.

[–] peddling-brink 2 days ago
Go ahead and send me your work outputs in real time. If I finish your work before you, I might give you partial credit.
[–] p-e-w 2 days ago
So there were mathematicians who would have solved Navier-Stokes, Quasi-Riemann, and ETH, if only AI hadn’t snatched away and finished off their work they were just wrapping up?

People will be getting second-hand embarrassment when they read these comments in the future.

[–] peddling-brink 2 days ago
You seem to be coming from the position that the benevolent, independently thinking, fully aligned AI has graced humanity with a forever gift. But actually it's a privately owned company, built on the collective of human intelligence, apparently stealing from active research and blessing a small few with partial credit.

There are ways to do what they are doing ethically. But this isn't it.

[–] bigbadfeline 2 days ago
Indeed, all credit should belong to the human researchers who collected the facts and traced the way.

However, with an eye on private AI as a business desperate for attention and profits, the only way out of this is to build open source research AI - better than anything the closed frontiers have to offer. It should be under the full control of the people who use it and trained to support the accepted ethics and citation discipline.

[–] jacquesm 2 days ago
True, but then the 'closed source' research AI company will do what they just did: siphon up all your research, add a bit of their own and beat you at your own game. You can't win this by playing by the rules, they are using a different set of rules and with an entirely different level of funding. Think about it: the amount of money and compute they have at their disposal is larger than that that of all universities combined.
[–] whoanoway 2 days ago
> trained to support the accepted ethics

This ought to be good. Please share. Be specific.

https://tenor.com/en-CA/view/eating-popcorn-deer-hungry-yum-...

[–] drdec 2 days ago
The point is that no human had access to the same data, because the LLM used the unpublished work of a number of mathematicians. The only way for a human to gain access to the same work, i.e. the same dots to connect, is to be in active collaboration with those mathematicians. In which case they would all be included in the resulting paper.
[–] pfdietz 21 hours ago
> No, what is happening is that the AI is really good at connecting the dots and human mathematicians aren't.

I watched a Zoom presentation yesterday {10/28/2026) at Courant by Maksym Radziwill on the QRH result with the constant 11/12. It used four known ideas, but linked them together in a way that mathematicians had steered themselves away from. He gave a short sentence with four phrases that he said, if they had been sent to him by time machine, would have let him work out the proof years ago. All the details were straightforward once that high level plan was in place.

The advantage AI had here was, in his words, it lacks psychology. Humans had a prejudice that a certain approach would not be fruitful, but the AI didn't have that. The AI could explore superficially unproductive avenues at great depth, not having to do as much pruning to conserve mental effort. And as it turned out one of those approaches worked.

AI is going to fill in a lot of blind spots, I think.

[–] palata 2 days ago
> It requires that

It does not. It's more like if all those researchers had been "labelling" stuff for the AI, so that the AI can now solve those problems. But they were not paid by the AI company for their "labelling" work, and they never agreed to "label" anything in the first place.

[–] leereeves 2 days ago
> It requires that all sorts of results were made unknowingly by mathematicians but they somehow didn't realize it.

It only requires that several different mathematicians knowingly found partial results but weren't aware of the results made by other mathematicians.

[–] cheesemonk66 2 days ago
In that case, I'm glad AI could so handily improve collaboration for frontier mathematics. Progress should not be held back by a lack of willingness or ability to cooperate.
[–] wholinator2 2 days ago
Processing results takes time. Sometimes months or years. They can meet up at conferences to discuss, publish their partial results, and the mathematics community can come together to understand and piece the true answer together. None of this requires crotchety old men hoarding results, trust me, those people are smart enough not to put that in AI. They made a small result that is highly likely dependent on some input they made to the AI. The AI collates everyone's work and puts the cherry(s) on top to finalize it. Of course there is work done by the AI that only requires the sum of public human knowledge as well. But you seem very angry and accusatory at researchers, like they're some secretive cabal hoarding gold, furious at the new "give everyone our gold" machine. The people that do this science literally live for sharing and speaking and disseminating this knowledge.

Have you every used AI for work on truly cutting edge at least graduate level academic research? It's nothing like writing software, i do both professionally. Every model I've had access to requires a LOT of hand holding to get it to do the right thing. No model is getting set up with a single prompt, told to go, and then solving a millennium problem (unless they've explicitly stated that, which i would still doubt). It takes a lot of guidance to get these AIs to solve any serious problem. It's not outside at least my reach to believe that openAI is taking these nudges from intelligent people and combining those with the internal, non public models to make great press releases as it tumbled towards an infinite debt wall. I don't think there's a thing they wouldn't do to save their company.

[–] MINECRAFT_BIOLO 2 days ago
I think you're wrong, looks like models are just finding and writing up publishable papers on novel results now just by giving them a single prompt and telling them to do so.

Preprint link: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2610.33179

Author's post on LinkedIn with details: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/christopher-herzog-a2985229a_...

Prompt to GPT-5.6 Sol:

"I would like you to write for me a short article that could be published in Physical Review Letters. I would like you to choose the question, do the analysis and write up the results. The constraints I put on the question are 1) that it should be in the hep-th set of topics (so that I have a hope of evaluating the arguments and results); 2) the answer can be written up in a short format of 5 pages or less; 3) the result is of significance enough that it can be published in PRL. I want to break up the task into several steps. The first is to find a good question, so give me three candidates. I’m also going to involve Claude in the process. Claude is going to find three candidates too, and the next step will be to evaluate each others’ candidate questions."

[–] leereeves 2 days ago
Is it really "collaboration" if someone takes results discovered by other people and uses them without acknowledgement?
[–] jatora 2 days ago
It's more collaboration than what was happening before, if all you care about is the knowledge, not the accolades.
[–] leereeves 2 days ago
The accolades matter for more than pride; they lead to money that funds more work.
[–] m3kw9 2 days ago
I like you point but OpenAI may know a lot more than how traditional mathematians know about others work
[–] phkahler 2 days ago
>> OpenAI is explicitly not taking credit, btw.

We have a big announcement! But we are not taking credit.

We or organizing all these people to figure out how to process our latest fabulous output. But we didn't do anything? Nope, no credit here.

[–] armchairhacker 2 days ago
> But the company owning the tool now takes credit for the entire research.

They didn't take full credit for Navier-Stokes; unless I'm mistaken, they're letting the researchers who almost solved it have first authorship on the "official" paper, which the researchers are writing to have a human-readable breakdown of the AI's proof, and OpenAI has announced.

If anyone was close to solving the Exponential Time problem, they could come out and claim so, and they would be taken seriously; and if they have any evidence in ChatGPT logs, I expect OpenAI would announce an official explanation paper with their name on it. Credit is cheap: ChatGPT does get some credit because it did make the final leap, that doesn't mean researchers don't.

[–] laggyluke 2 days ago
> the entire body of work is actually based on what the sum of researchers did, even those who failed in their research and didn't publish anything.

I don't really see how this is significantly different from them scraping the entire human knowledge, distilling it into weights and then selling the results.

Sure, this argument is about the _new_ data that researchers feed into the machine voluntarily, but I don't see this distinction as significant.

Not making a moral judgement here, just stating that this is consistent with the way those companies operate in general.

[–] rickdeckard 2 days ago
> "I don't really see how this is significantly different from them scraping the entire human knowledge, distilling it into weights and then selling the results."

Well, so far those companies offered this distilled human knowledge as part of a service, with all the (unresolved) criticism associated with scraping of other peoples properties.

In this instance they did the next step, created a combined output and are celebrating themselves for the result, inviting others to join.

It's the difference of scraping all books to build a language model from it for sale to others, and outright announcing a new Harry Potter book after extending an offer to JK Rowling to join the press-release.

(and I guess I need to clarify: I don't compare scientific research to writing a novel, I compare the handling of both scenarios)

[–] teleforce 2 days ago
Am I missing something, if you a paid subscriber, LLM service providers OpenAI/Google/etc by default will not trained on your input data unless explicitly allowed by the users.

If this is not enabled by default then it need to be the default policy within EU by the enforcement of GPDR, for example.

[–] bebimbop 1 day ago
> everyone agrees that it's the result that counts.

I don't know if I agree with that. That presumes that the entire point of mathematics is to produce results. I don't believe that at all.

I believe that the entire point of mathematics is to produce human understanding and mental models that are useful or beautiful to humans. (I also believe there's a mysteriously deep connection between those two notions, but that's a different discussion.)

At any rate, I think that the old process, where humans had to cut the paths themselves before the clearing emerged, is one that led to understanding first, then a distilled result. And then the secondary task of distilling the understanding down to a clean proof is the icing on the cake. Some mathematicians are very good at keeping the intuition and understanding clear when presenting proofs. Some are not.

However, very often, the end result and proof is not where the real understanding lies, and that is one of the reasons why mathematics has been such a social endeavor. Often you can't glean the "hidden truths" behind austere proofs before you engage with people who can help you see the picture behind it. Many people who went through Baby Rudin as an undergrad can maybe relate to what I'm saying here. For a very insightful analysis about how intuition and discourse lead the discovery of mathematical truth, I highly recommend Imre Lakatos' amazing book "Proofs and Refutations."

What the models are producing is not what we had before. They are producing the cargo cult equivalent: Equations and words on paper which by means of tracing through the steps might take you from A to B. And after a while, humans might discover the true facts behind why that path from A to B exists, and then understanding emerges. And only then.

But when the process is done through AI, no one (no human) learns how to make discoveries and connections on their own. We are not letting people exercise the cognitive apparatus which is used to gain intuition and understanding. My fear is that after a while, fewer human mathematicians are able to gain the understanding mathematicians before them did.

It's as if someone removed all the barbells from a gym and made automated hydraulic jacks do all the lifting. After a while, people would wonder why our power lifters aren't as strong anymore. "But weights get lifted! That's the entire point, right?!"

[–] lioeters 1 day ago
Thanks for the recommendation!

Proofs and Refutations: The Logic of Mathematical Discovery - Imre Lakatos

I appreciated your defense of mathematics as a communal process of developing human understanding, not just a way to solve problems and generate proofs. While the latter is important and valuable, replacing mathematicians on an industrial scale will destroy the cultural context that cultivated the field over generations.

[–] phatfish 2 days ago
This sort of action is the only way other countries will take the dependency on US controlled services seriously.

Keep screwing over scientists, please OpenAI, eventually it will wake up the lazy institutions in Europe (and other places).

If they just stand by and let it happen, they deserve to be made fools of.

[–] Difwif 2 days ago
The models will be leap frogging themselves with zero human input far before Europe wakes up.
[–] hardbass 2 days ago
The chinese will be speedrunning their science using full ai, yes.
[–] elif 2 days ago
Humans and their need for gold star stickers
[–] shermantanktop 2 days ago
Would you do this work but not expect credit for your progress? Especially if your career depended on it?

Not many people create things and refuse to sign them, and believe in anonymous contributions to humanity. I’ve had coworkers present my work uncredited with the implication that it was theirs. Not many people would be fine with that.

There are a few, but not many. Suggests to me that what you call “gold stickers are actually important.

[–] BenzeneDream 1 day ago
You actually think recent chats were used in training of these models to THEN complete the proofs? This seems incredibly far-fetched and almost impossible based on how LLMs train. Occam's Razor says that simply the models are getting increasingly more capable in these domains.
[–] stouset 2 days ago
> Why aren't you excited for pushing the frontier of knowledge.

In mathematics specifically, having answers to open problems is often not inherently all that useful. The value of open problems typically comes from new theories and techniques that mathematicians produce attempting to drive towards solutions. The open problems themselves are a means to an end.

Suddenly having the all the air sucked out of the room by having all of math’s open problems solved—without producing fruitful new areas of research—is not inherently a win.

[–] senderista 2 days ago
About the only general lesson I can extract so far from these announcements is that apparently we underestimated the extent to which major open problems are amenable to known approaches (possibly from very disparate fields), if they are combined judiciously by a virtually omniscient search engine. Frankly it's a little disappointing to me that these problems didn't require major new creative advances (e.g. the invention of new subfields) for their solution. And arguably that's a loss, if humans, with their inferior search and recall capabilities, would have been forced to resort to more creative solutions.
[–] caminmccluskey 2 days ago
It's still possible, and I suspect likely, that many more problems will require new creative advances. Creative advances that may have arisen in the regular course of attempting to solve these problems that were nevertheless amenable (often in a very alien brute-force way) to combination of existing techniques
[–] stouset 2 days ago
Maybe this is too pessimistic an attitude, but we may be ten years from it not even mattering.

I’ve heard Grant Sanderson’s take. But I suspect math is going down a dark road where humans have little reason to pursue it any more. We’ve crossed a threshold where computers are regularly solving problems that have remained open for decades. Humans barely stand a chance today; ten years from now we’ll be irrelevant in terms of pushing the field forward.

AI might be around to produce new techniques for other AI. But will it be relevant for humans? Will humans even need to be part of the loop? Will the new techniques be presented in ways that are intended to be conveyed to humans? Will there be humans interested in or capable enough to use them? I have my doubts.

[–] senderista 2 days ago
We seem to still be a long way from an AI equivalent of Grothendieck (i.e., creative system-builder). Maybe AI is close to replacing a problem-solver like Erdos.
[–] motbus3 2 days ago
I think OP is saying that the work should not be credit to OpenAI. They are basically rehashing the research from someone else. Previously with the fluid problem they sang glories to themselves only to be exposed. They not only tried to shut up the researches but also displayed several concerning behaviours.

There is nothing that guarantees now that they will not steal your ideas and publish themselves.

[–] bko 2 days ago
I don't know what "the credit" means. They're spending tens of millions to solve these problems, hire academics at insane salaries and give out millions in research credits. You care about language on some press release?

Academics are paid tiny sums at post doc and professor levels. Oai comes along paying millions to these people and giving them the tools and support to actually solve problems.

[–] fwlr 2 days ago
Society paid academics just barely enough to survive and do math (and probably we optimized that amount a little bit too far toward minimal), so you had to really love math and not really love anything else to do it.

OAI pays lots of money for doing math, and doing math makes them lots of money (or they believe it does), so your love for math has to be upper-bounded by your love for money. Loving math helps, of course, but not loving math is okay too, because you can substitute that with your love of money. But when money and math conflict, your love of money has to win.

I contend that:

1) Within the process of doing math, the second type is better in some metrics (eg speed) while the first is better in others (eg readability of prose);

2) On the first order outcomes of doing math, the first type is better (eg elegance of mathematical objects)

3) On the second and higher order outcomes of doing math, the first type is better (eg respect society has for the field, sustainability on long timescales)

How to weigh each order when choosing a winner is a decision each civilisation gets to make.

This comment box is sadly too small to contain an argument for why higher-order should matter more, but it suffices to say here that only caring about higher-order outcomes is “having your head in the clouds, hoping to catch a glimpse of Heaven” and only caring about lower-order outcomes is “making a deal with the devil, your soul ends up in Hell”.

[–] jatora 2 days ago
A whole lotta words just to say you are coping.
[–] jonathanstrange 2 days ago
IMHO it makes no sense to admit you don't know what "the credit" means and continue to participate in this discussion. You don't seem to understand the culture and motivation of professors and postdocs doing research level mathematics.
[–] bko 2 days ago
So explain it. Is it press releases?

This technology lets you do research a lot more efficiently. It's all there. If you're interested is solving interesting problems there has never been a better time. If you're interested in being the first to solve outstanding problems from decades ago, maybe not as good, but then again let's be honest, chances are you weren't going to solve them anyway.

[–] jonathanstrange 2 days ago
"Let's be honest": Why would I care that you care so much that these problems were solved automatically when you yourself don't even seem to be aiming at a better understanding and talk in disrespectful ways about the people who seek a deeper understanding? You could read a book about the history of mathematics, for example Roger Penrose's Road to Reality.
[–] pluc 2 days ago
> Academics are paid tiny sums at post doc and professor levels. Oai comes along paying millions to these people and giving them the tools and support to actually solve problems.

I mean if I was one of them I'd be super pissed that a piece of silicon got more funding than I did and of course it's gonna have better results. I can't steal my peers' research but AI can.

[–] bko 2 days ago
You think if researchers in math got tens of millions they would have solved these problems?

What's your mental model here?

Again, oai is giving mathematicians millions, they're hiring them to work on purely academic problems. Funding has increased considerably.

What is the problem?

[–] pluc 2 days ago
The problem is where this is going. We've gone from thousands of researchers to one company. I don't care how much better the results are, it is a terrible idea to centralize knowledge evolution.
[–] bko 2 days ago
So you believe math is a jobs program. We do more work, don't need as many mathematicians, although there doesn't necessarily mean fewer as they're now a lot more productive.

Knowledge and discovery isn't the point, it's that this particular group of people are in sole control of the pace and what gets discovered

[–] motbus3 2 days ago
You can't say they are spending 10s of millions on that. First, you cannot calculate their usage cost by what they charge you. Second, if the prompts from the math researches were not there they would not be able to solve the problem, and they know it, and that's why they are trying to silence people or make noise enough so people don't realise what they are doing

Your comment about academics is not based. If you take the time to read any of the papers they published you will see most if not all are pure garbage nonsense.

Read Terence Tao about ai, or anything about the "supposedly" improvement in the FFT. Their claims are all nothing burgers.

[–] hackmack10 2 days ago
Like they did with software engineers
[–] motbus3 2 days ago
*what they did to coding

Software engineer is far from be solved

[–] rickdeckard 2 days ago
OP here. I compared it to a bicycle because a bicycle is a tool.

I could also compare it to a car, but a considered a bicycle more appropriate (maybe because of the "bicycle for the mind" analogy for computers by Steve Jobs).

But comparing it to "Automotive technology" doesn't make sense, because "fuel efficiency" and "safety" are not tools but the properties of a tool.

Scientists are working with tools, and now one of those tools has silently turned this into a race for publication with all the users of the tool.

[–] johndhi 2 days ago
Is a "race for publication" any different from "healthy competition"?

I guess not quite in how you're framing it, because you take issue with the tool stealing intelligent from the user of the tool.

But how do we confirm these advances depended on data leakage?

[–] rickdeckard 2 days ago
As per OP, you're inferring a "healthy competition" between the cyclist and his bike. How would you expect cycling as a whole to evolve under such circumstances?

But I think you're talking about something entirely different, I leave it to someone else to answer.

[–] robotpepi 2 days ago
> This stuff reads as cope by scientists who spent their entire careers chasing these problems.

This is their only defense so far: deflecting valid criticism by suggesting, without evidence, that the scientific community is gripped by fear.

[–] meowface 2 days ago
They're wrong. They're right about it being cope, but the cope is not from people in fear.

The people who feel fear about AI taking their jobs or doing worse things are not coping. They're saying all this is real and impressive and that that is why they are terrified.

The people saying it's bad and lies and they stole the answer and a million other things are just in tribal mode throwing whatever at the wall to defer to the pre-existing conclusion that AI is a corporate hoax. AI would have to be real to fear it in this professional and existential way, but they know it's fake, so they're not afraid.

It's sometimes done with more subtlety, like "it just comes up with some proofs by connecting existing things, it is not producing new insights, it's not creative or truly generating ideas". Which may be partly true. The denialism is shifted into refusing to acknowledge that within 20, or 2, years it probably will be producing new insights.

[–] pfdietz 2 days ago
The cavalcade of illogic from the critics has been quite revealing, hasn't it?
[–] tsumnia 2 days ago
> Why aren't you excited for pushing the frontier of knowledge

They are excited. They just hate getting scooped [1] because it means that precious tenure status and niche community name recognition stays out of reach.

That's not me endorsing or denouncing what's going on. Just one professor trying to rationalize what the big deal is all about.

That's why I study colors now.

[1] https://datascience.codata.org/articles/10.5334/dsj-2017-029

[–] onetimeusename 2 days ago
>math is really a jobs program

Yes. That's completely reasonable. It's sort of like how 100m sprinting is also a jobs program. People like watching very fast individuals compete in it and not, say, people on motorcycles.

It's actually reasonable too. I don't think math is just about results and theorems. It's also a question of the limits of what people know, how they came to know it, and how others can also understand it. It's like the difference between climbing Everest and taking a helicopter up. Both reached the top but surely the person who climbed it had different experiences that might be useful? In my opinion, most published math results are not going to have much application outside of the math community.

[–] senordevnyc 2 days ago
That's fine if they can find someone to sponsor their "job", but at least quit bitching and moaning about how no one should ride motorcycles because it makes your sprinting feel less meaningful.
[–] gofreddygo 17 hours ago
> pushing the frontier of things like fuel efficiency

volkwagen [1] does spring to mind on that point

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal

[–] infamouscow 2 days ago
The role of science is to advance human knowledge and understand what's true. The role of engineering is to bridge the current world to something new discovered by science. Until recently, the new things were the domain of scientists, so many of them understandably feel like their existence is threatened by AI.

Another aspect I haven't seen anyone talk about is how big tech poached a generation of millennials from grad schools ~15 years ago. I think a lot of those people feel like this is a comeuppance for unnecessary or bad faith gate keeping in academia.

[–] sandworm101 2 days ago
>> pushing the frontier of things like fuel efficiency and safety would be good.

That is a done task. There all manner of techs to support those goals. The issue is cost and politics. There are a host of IC advancements that are being actively ignored as companies give up on IC in favor of EVs such as rotational non-piston engines.

https://www.carthrottle.com/news/pistonless-25000rpm-capable...

Safety wise, cars today are extremely safe, to the point that there it little to be gained in making them any safer. The only real gains will come from improving driver behavior through monitoring (ignition interlocks for alcohol/drugs/tiredness) or restrictions such as hard speed limiters. The market has steadfastly rejected such things.

AI could deliver a dozen new IC engine types. They would all be ignored. AI could propose new traffic rules. Those would be ignored. AI could identify potentially dangerous drivers prior to any malfeasance, and those recommendations would too be ignored. There isn't much room for AI in this field.

[–] johnnyApplePRNG 2 days ago
>Why aren't you excited for pushing the frontier of knowledge.

A lot of us believe OpenAI has pushed the frontier too far and should maybe let a bit of that knowledge flow down from their stolen ivory tower first.

[–] hardbass 2 days ago
Who is stopping you from reading the papers? They are not pay walled unlike many traditional journals.
[–] busssard 1 day ago
after having seen that Lean has been exploited i dont manage to believe AI generated proofs anymore.
[–] bartstp 2 days ago
hey, look, I finished the last page of the novel you were writing and am claiming it as my own novel. Fixed that for you.
[–] hardbass 2 days ago
Yes, thats how most research is.
[–] NetMageSCW 2 days ago
How did you read the novel if it wasn’t published?
[–] jacquesm 2 days ago
Because you were my proofreader and I didn't expect you to turn around and pass off the novel I was writing as your own.
[–] inSumErgoCogito 2 days ago
Its also, very much cope for academia not performing to spec except as a paper mill for the last few decades- ever since the cold war ended. The world needs academia to work - and that machine churning out discoveries feeds us all, if it finds a better haber bosch. "Wes Brot ich ess des Lied ich sing! Erst kommt das fressen dann die moral!" and this machine produces the food the world is in dire need off. Git good or git gone!
[–] 293817ab 2 days ago
AI is a jobs program for thieves and grifters.

They lured scientists into sharing their prompts and ideas and either trained the model directly on that or kept the prompts in a database to be added to the context when solving a problem.

People with ethics and values are not excited.

[–] hardbass 2 days ago
Unlike academic mathematicians, ai labs are actual businesses earning their money by providing services and attracting investment. Academic mathematicians simply live off eg tax money if its a state university.