This stuff reads as cope by scientists who spent their entire careers chasing these problems. The idea that someone was just around the corner to solving a problem that's been outstanding for decades, and the model used their brilliant recent insights to crack it (ignoring the cutoff date, that would have to be fabricated as well).
Why aren't you excited for pushing the frontier of knowledge. Unless you think math is really a jobs program for gifted individuals keeping them busy and unproductive.
[–] rickdeckard 2 days ago
[–] pfdietz 2 days ago
No, what is happening is that the AI is really good at connecting the dots and human mathematicians aren't.
OpenAI is explicitly not taking credit, btw.
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[–] p-e-w 2 days ago
People will be getting second-hand embarrassment when they read these comments in the future.
[–] peddling-brink 2 days ago
There are ways to do what they are doing ethically. But this isn't it.
[–] bigbadfeline 2 days ago
However, with an eye on private AI as a business desperate for attention and profits, the only way out of this is to build open source research AI - better than anything the closed frontiers have to offer. It should be under the full control of the people who use it and trained to support the accepted ethics and citation discipline.
[–] jacquesm 2 days ago
[–] whoanoway 2 days ago
This ought to be good. Please share. Be specific.
https://tenor.com/en-CA/view/eating-popcorn-deer-hungry-yum-...
[–] drdec 2 days ago
[–] pfdietz 21 hours ago
I watched a Zoom presentation yesterday {10/28/2026) at Courant by Maksym Radziwill on the QRH result with the constant 11/12. It used four known ideas, but linked them together in a way that mathematicians had steered themselves away from. He gave a short sentence with four phrases that he said, if they had been sent to him by time machine, would have let him work out the proof years ago. All the details were straightforward once that high level plan was in place.
The advantage AI had here was, in his words, it lacks psychology. Humans had a prejudice that a certain approach would not be fruitful, but the AI didn't have that. The AI could explore superficially unproductive avenues at great depth, not having to do as much pruning to conserve mental effort. And as it turned out one of those approaches worked.
AI is going to fill in a lot of blind spots, I think.
[–] palata 2 days ago
It does not. It's more like if all those researchers had been "labelling" stuff for the AI, so that the AI can now solve those problems. But they were not paid by the AI company for their "labelling" work, and they never agreed to "label" anything in the first place.
[–] leereeves 2 days ago
It only requires that several different mathematicians knowingly found partial results but weren't aware of the results made by other mathematicians.
[–] cheesemonk66 2 days ago
[–] wholinator2 2 days ago
Have you every used AI for work on truly cutting edge at least graduate level academic research? It's nothing like writing software, i do both professionally. Every model I've had access to requires a LOT of hand holding to get it to do the right thing. No model is getting set up with a single prompt, told to go, and then solving a millennium problem (unless they've explicitly stated that, which i would still doubt). It takes a lot of guidance to get these AIs to solve any serious problem. It's not outside at least my reach to believe that openAI is taking these nudges from intelligent people and combining those with the internal, non public models to make great press releases as it tumbled towards an infinite debt wall. I don't think there's a thing they wouldn't do to save their company.
[–] MINECRAFT_BIOLO 2 days ago
Preprint link: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2610.33179
Author's post on LinkedIn with details: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/christopher-herzog-a2985229a_...
Prompt to GPT-5.6 Sol:
"I would like you to write for me a short article that could be published in Physical Review Letters. I would like you to choose the question, do the analysis and write up the results. The constraints I put on the question are 1) that it should be in the hep-th set of topics (so that I have a hope of evaluating the arguments and results); 2) the answer can be written up in a short format of 5 pages or less; 3) the result is of significance enough that it can be published in PRL. I want to break up the task into several steps. The first is to find a good question, so give me three candidates. I’m also going to involve Claude in the process. Claude is going to find three candidates too, and the next step will be to evaluate each others’ candidate questions."
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[–] phkahler 2 days ago
We have a big announcement! But we are not taking credit.
We or organizing all these people to figure out how to process our latest fabulous output. But we didn't do anything? Nope, no credit here.
[–] armchairhacker 2 days ago
They didn't take full credit for Navier-Stokes; unless I'm mistaken, they're letting the researchers who almost solved it have first authorship on the "official" paper, which the researchers are writing to have a human-readable breakdown of the AI's proof, and OpenAI has announced.
If anyone was close to solving the Exponential Time problem, they could come out and claim so, and they would be taken seriously; and if they have any evidence in ChatGPT logs, I expect OpenAI would announce an official explanation paper with their name on it. Credit is cheap: ChatGPT does get some credit because it did make the final leap, that doesn't mean researchers don't.
[–] laggyluke 2 days ago
I don't really see how this is significantly different from them scraping the entire human knowledge, distilling it into weights and then selling the results.
Sure, this argument is about the _new_ data that researchers feed into the machine voluntarily, but I don't see this distinction as significant.
Not making a moral judgement here, just stating that this is consistent with the way those companies operate in general.
[–] rickdeckard 2 days ago
Well, so far those companies offered this distilled human knowledge as part of a service, with all the (unresolved) criticism associated with scraping of other peoples properties.
In this instance they did the next step, created a combined output and are celebrating themselves for the result, inviting others to join.
It's the difference of scraping all books to build a language model from it for sale to others, and outright announcing a new Harry Potter book after extending an offer to JK Rowling to join the press-release.
(and I guess I need to clarify: I don't compare scientific research to writing a novel, I compare the handling of both scenarios)
[–] teleforce 2 days ago
If this is not enabled by default then it need to be the default policy within EU by the enforcement of GPDR, for example.
[–] bebimbop 1 day ago
I don't know if I agree with that. That presumes that the entire point of mathematics is to produce results. I don't believe that at all.
I believe that the entire point of mathematics is to produce human understanding and mental models that are useful or beautiful to humans. (I also believe there's a mysteriously deep connection between those two notions, but that's a different discussion.)
At any rate, I think that the old process, where humans had to cut the paths themselves before the clearing emerged, is one that led to understanding first, then a distilled result. And then the secondary task of distilling the understanding down to a clean proof is the icing on the cake. Some mathematicians are very good at keeping the intuition and understanding clear when presenting proofs. Some are not.
However, very often, the end result and proof is not where the real understanding lies, and that is one of the reasons why mathematics has been such a social endeavor. Often you can't glean the "hidden truths" behind austere proofs before you engage with people who can help you see the picture behind it. Many people who went through Baby Rudin as an undergrad can maybe relate to what I'm saying here. For a very insightful analysis about how intuition and discourse lead the discovery of mathematical truth, I highly recommend Imre Lakatos' amazing book "Proofs and Refutations."
What the models are producing is not what we had before. They are producing the cargo cult equivalent: Equations and words on paper which by means of tracing through the steps might take you from A to B. And after a while, humans might discover the true facts behind why that path from A to B exists, and then understanding emerges. And only then.
But when the process is done through AI, no one (no human) learns how to make discoveries and connections on their own. We are not letting people exercise the cognitive apparatus which is used to gain intuition and understanding. My fear is that after a while, fewer human mathematicians are able to gain the understanding mathematicians before them did.
It's as if someone removed all the barbells from a gym and made automated hydraulic jacks do all the lifting. After a while, people would wonder why our power lifters aren't as strong anymore. "But weights get lifted! That's the entire point, right?!"
[–] lioeters 1 day ago
Proofs and Refutations: The Logic of Mathematical Discovery - Imre Lakatos
I appreciated your defense of mathematics as a communal process of developing human understanding, not just a way to solve problems and generate proofs. While the latter is important and valuable, replacing mathematicians on an industrial scale will destroy the cultural context that cultivated the field over generations.
[–] phatfish 2 days ago
Keep screwing over scientists, please OpenAI, eventually it will wake up the lazy institutions in Europe (and other places).
If they just stand by and let it happen, they deserve to be made fools of.
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[–] shermantanktop 2 days ago
Not many people create things and refuse to sign them, and believe in anonymous contributions to humanity. I’ve had coworkers present my work uncredited with the implication that it was theirs. Not many people would be fine with that.
There are a few, but not many. Suggests to me that what you call “gold stickers are actually important.
[–] BenzeneDream 1 day ago
[–] stouset 2 days ago
In mathematics specifically, having answers to open problems is often not inherently all that useful. The value of open problems typically comes from new theories and techniques that mathematicians produce attempting to drive towards solutions. The open problems themselves are a means to an end.
Suddenly having the all the air sucked out of the room by having all of math’s open problems solved—without producing fruitful new areas of research—is not inherently a win.
[–] senderista 2 days ago
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[–] stouset 2 days ago
I’ve heard Grant Sanderson’s take. But I suspect math is going down a dark road where humans have little reason to pursue it any more. We’ve crossed a threshold where computers are regularly solving problems that have remained open for decades. Humans barely stand a chance today; ten years from now we’ll be irrelevant in terms of pushing the field forward.
AI might be around to produce new techniques for other AI. But will it be relevant for humans? Will humans even need to be part of the loop? Will the new techniques be presented in ways that are intended to be conveyed to humans? Will there be humans interested in or capable enough to use them? I have my doubts.
[–] senderista 2 days ago
[–] motbus3 2 days ago
There is nothing that guarantees now that they will not steal your ideas and publish themselves.
[–] bko 2 days ago
Academics are paid tiny sums at post doc and professor levels. Oai comes along paying millions to these people and giving them the tools and support to actually solve problems.
[–] fwlr 2 days ago
OAI pays lots of money for doing math, and doing math makes them lots of money (or they believe it does), so your love for math has to be upper-bounded by your love for money. Loving math helps, of course, but not loving math is okay too, because you can substitute that with your love of money. But when money and math conflict, your love of money has to win.
I contend that:
1) Within the process of doing math, the second type is better in some metrics (eg speed) while the first is better in others (eg readability of prose);
2) On the first order outcomes of doing math, the first type is better (eg elegance of mathematical objects)
3) On the second and higher order outcomes of doing math, the first type is better (eg respect society has for the field, sustainability on long timescales)
How to weigh each order when choosing a winner is a decision each civilisation gets to make.
This comment box is sadly too small to contain an argument for why higher-order should matter more, but it suffices to say here that only caring about higher-order outcomes is “having your head in the clouds, hoping to catch a glimpse of Heaven” and only caring about lower-order outcomes is “making a deal with the devil, your soul ends up in Hell”.
[–] jatora 2 days ago
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[–] bko 2 days ago
This technology lets you do research a lot more efficiently. It's all there. If you're interested is solving interesting problems there has never been a better time. If you're interested in being the first to solve outstanding problems from decades ago, maybe not as good, but then again let's be honest, chances are you weren't going to solve them anyway.
[–] jonathanstrange 2 days ago
[–] pluc 2 days ago
I mean if I was one of them I'd be super pissed that a piece of silicon got more funding than I did and of course it's gonna have better results. I can't steal my peers' research but AI can.
[–] bko 2 days ago
What's your mental model here?
Again, oai is giving mathematicians millions, they're hiring them to work on purely academic problems. Funding has increased considerably.
What is the problem?
[–] pluc 2 days ago
[–] bko 2 days ago
Knowledge and discovery isn't the point, it's that this particular group of people are in sole control of the pace and what gets discovered
[–] motbus3 2 days ago
Your comment about academics is not based. If you take the time to read any of the papers they published you will see most if not all are pure garbage nonsense.
Read Terence Tao about ai, or anything about the "supposedly" improvement in the FFT. Their claims are all nothing burgers.
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[–] motbus3 2 days ago
Software engineer is far from be solved
[–] rickdeckard 2 days ago
I could also compare it to a car, but a considered a bicycle more appropriate (maybe because of the "bicycle for the mind" analogy for computers by Steve Jobs).
But comparing it to "Automotive technology" doesn't make sense, because "fuel efficiency" and "safety" are not tools but the properties of a tool.
Scientists are working with tools, and now one of those tools has silently turned this into a race for publication with all the users of the tool.
[–] johndhi 2 days ago
I guess not quite in how you're framing it, because you take issue with the tool stealing intelligent from the user of the tool.
But how do we confirm these advances depended on data leakage?
[–] rickdeckard 2 days ago
But I think you're talking about something entirely different, I leave it to someone else to answer.
[–] robotpepi 2 days ago
This is their only defense so far: deflecting valid criticism by suggesting, without evidence, that the scientific community is gripped by fear.
[–] meowface 2 days ago
The people who feel fear about AI taking their jobs or doing worse things are not coping. They're saying all this is real and impressive and that that is why they are terrified.
The people saying it's bad and lies and they stole the answer and a million other things are just in tribal mode throwing whatever at the wall to defer to the pre-existing conclusion that AI is a corporate hoax. AI would have to be real to fear it in this professional and existential way, but they know it's fake, so they're not afraid.
It's sometimes done with more subtlety, like "it just comes up with some proofs by connecting existing things, it is not producing new insights, it's not creative or truly generating ideas". Which may be partly true. The denialism is shifted into refusing to acknowledge that within 20, or 2, years it probably will be producing new insights.
[–] pfdietz 2 days ago
[–] tsumnia 2 days ago
They are excited. They just hate getting scooped [1] because it means that precious tenure status and niche community name recognition stays out of reach.
That's not me endorsing or denouncing what's going on. Just one professor trying to rationalize what the big deal is all about.
That's why I study colors now.
[1] https://datascience.codata.org/articles/10.5334/dsj-2017-029
[–] onetimeusename 2 days ago
Yes. That's completely reasonable. It's sort of like how 100m sprinting is also a jobs program. People like watching very fast individuals compete in it and not, say, people on motorcycles.
It's actually reasonable too. I don't think math is just about results and theorems. It's also a question of the limits of what people know, how they came to know it, and how others can also understand it. It's like the difference between climbing Everest and taking a helicopter up. Both reached the top but surely the person who climbed it had different experiences that might be useful? In my opinion, most published math results are not going to have much application outside of the math community.
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[–] gofreddygo 17 hours ago
volkwagen [1] does spring to mind on that point
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal
[–] infamouscow 2 days ago
Another aspect I haven't seen anyone talk about is how big tech poached a generation of millennials from grad schools ~15 years ago. I think a lot of those people feel like this is a comeuppance for unnecessary or bad faith gate keeping in academia.
[–] sandworm101 2 days ago
That is a done task. There all manner of techs to support those goals. The issue is cost and politics. There are a host of IC advancements that are being actively ignored as companies give up on IC in favor of EVs such as rotational non-piston engines.
https://www.carthrottle.com/news/pistonless-25000rpm-capable...
Safety wise, cars today are extremely safe, to the point that there it little to be gained in making them any safer. The only real gains will come from improving driver behavior through monitoring (ignition interlocks for alcohol/drugs/tiredness) or restrictions such as hard speed limiters. The market has steadfastly rejected such things.
AI could deliver a dozen new IC engine types. They would all be ignored. AI could propose new traffic rules. Those would be ignored. AI could identify potentially dangerous drivers prior to any malfeasance, and those recommendations would too be ignored. There isn't much room for AI in this field.
[–] johnnyApplePRNG 2 days ago
A lot of us believe OpenAI has pushed the frontier too far and should maybe let a bit of that knowledge flow down from their stolen ivory tower first.
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[–] 293817ab 2 days ago
They lured scientists into sharing their prompts and ideas and either trained the model directly on that or kept the prompts in a database to be added to the context when solving a problem.
People with ethics and values are not excited.
This seems to be really hard for some people to understand:
The gripe is not how AI has "cheated" and wasn't "embracing the race", everyone agrees that it's the result that counts.
The problem is that researchers use AI as a tool, and the company owning the tool siphoned all data from the sum of all researchers, combined it and completed the research. Okay, result is reached, still arguably good.
But the company owning the tool now takes credit for the entire research.
"Inviting" selected researchers to be mentioned in the press-release is not fixing that, the entire body of work is actually based on what the sum of researchers did, even those who failed in their research and didn't publish anything.