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points by rTX5CMRXIfFG 2 days ago | 0 comments

There's just no getting "then don't buy it" for people who obviously don't agree with Apple's terms and conditions, is there? Not every product sold in the market will be done your way, and you can't act oppressed here because if you don't like Apple computers, you have a ton of other options...

[–] jimbokun 2 days ago

Yes but there is the larger question of whether you should be able to install any software you want on hardware you own. Or does Apple still control it even though you paid for it.

[–] rTX5CMRXIfFG 2 days ago

I don’t believe there’s a question at all. You actually can’t just install any software you want on any hardware that you own. You don’t even have the right to compel companies to design computers only in such a way that appeals to your personal preferences.

[–] bigyabai 2 days ago

Apple's terms are completely arbitrary. People will complain about this until the computers are capable of it again, because there is no legitimate technical reason that Apple Silicon cannot support third-party OSes.

[–] philistine 2 days ago

So you want to compel Apple to write Windows drivers? You can't just install Windows on anything you want, the manufacturer has to make sure it works with Windows, and Apple is truly over playing nice with Windows.

On top of that, Windows 11 requires a TPM and Apple's implementation of the Secure Enclave is probably completely incompatible. The short moment in time when both computer families were in complete technological harmony is over.

[–] bigyabai 2 days ago

The Linux community managed it. TPM isn't a hard requirement for Win11, Apple's SOCs are still in harmony with Windows' vision for computing.

To repeat myself, there is no valid technical reason that Apple cannot commit to documenting their platform for third-parties. People will complain, because it's an arbitrary choice on Apple's behalf to provide less transparent support than AMD, Intel or even the famously capricious Nvidia.

This has the knock-on effect of limiting macOS' exposure to third-party OS competition, enabling Apple to subsidize macOS support with SaaS offerings and advertisements. Apple customers have been increasingly asking for official Linux support on Apple Silicon, because macOS and iPadOS are not legitimate competitors to Windows or Linux. Apple Silicon is undoubtedly the second-class citizen of the PC world, and it's entirely Apple's choice to limit their hardware like that.

[–] philistine 2 days ago

Thing you got wrong 1: TPM is a hard requirement. > https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/security/devices...

Thing you got wrong 2: iPadOS is half the usage of tablet operating systems. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_syste...

[–] bigyabai 2 days ago

TPM is not a hard requirement. You can run Windows 11 without a TPM, I'm doing it right now.

iPadOS is not a legitimate competitor to Windows or Linux. It might be a competitor against Android tablets, but goddamn what a low bar that is.

[–] philistine 1 day ago

The fact YOU can run Windows 11 without a TPM does not mean that a hardware manufacturer can just hand wave Microsoft's requirements. Point me in the direction of a manufacturer who ships code that bypasses the TPM for their devices.

In OSes everything seems to be a zero-sum game to you. What the 2010s have demonstrated is that OSes can still carve markets for themselves. SteamOS, Android, Oculus, iPadOS, and the king of it all, iOS, have proven that to be relevant, you only need to create your own category. iPadOS is the only relevant tablet OS. Users expect iPadOS if you give them a tablet. Windows is irrelevant in that space.