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points by jagged-chisel 2 days ago | 0 comments

The one raising the point. Apparently standing alone amongst otherwise bipartisan support of spying on Americans.

Wyden is the ranking D member of the intelligence committee (ie would be chair under a D senate). He's not some maverick bucking his party, this is the expression of the party position.

[–] rpdillon 2 days ago

I wish this were true. My take after watching him for years is that he's uniquely equipped to evaluate these issues in a way his peers are not.

[–] GeekyBear 2 days ago

President Obama was the President of the United States when he went on late night TV and assured everyone that the government didn't spy on Americans at all, after Wyden's warnings and the Snowden revelations.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2013/08/06/209692380...

[–] oliwarner 2 days ago

If that were the case, they'd have done something about it before. This doesn't appear to be new.

[–] iAMkenough 2 days ago

Hopefully the party learned something from Biden’s four years.

[–] jasonlotito 2 days ago

Fun fact, parties, and more importantly the people in them change and evolve over time. They aren't stagnant. For example, we see this with the Republican party which use to hold claim to things like law and order. But times change, and so do parties.

So just because something was a certain way 20 years ago doesn't mean it's still that way today. That would be CRAZY to suggest that.

[–] gosub100 2 days ago

They have "evolved" to the point there is no difference between them anymore

[–] amanaplanacanal 2 days ago

Yes, obviously they agree on everything.

[–] deaux 2 days ago

Unfortunately they have, on the key things that everything else flows from. That doesn't mean that can't change at some point. That would take sizeable evidence that isn't there yet, though.

[–] pbhjpbhj 2 days ago

Republicans have de facto done away with the Constitution, and the rule of law, and are shockingly corrupt - are you saying that democrats are on board with that?

If not, then they're not the same.

We get this in the UK too, Tory party literally steal £Billions using emergency powers in COVID to send money to companies totally unrelated to the contracts made. Then a Labour MP has a complex mortgage arrangement and misses paying a few thousand pounds of tax. And people come in with 'they're all the same'.

It's stunningly moronic to entirely ignore the scale of issues in this way. Well, moronic or intentional deception.

[–] gosub100 2 days ago

Taking AIPAC money for instance.

[–] adolph 2 days ago

Given that a group of people is not typically of a single mind about the vast array of things for which a position might be expressed [0], the continued presence of Wyden reflects an ambivalence within the group and/or a controlled opposition to cite when the music stops.

0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_choice