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points by themaninthedark 2 days ago | 0 comments

Not sure why they have to provide a solution in order to talk about the issue.

The only solution is to elect better people. I know some people who hoped that Trump would be that in 2016 but he is just more of the same.

I do disagree with grandparent that nothing has changed; the Supreme Court has shored up the First Amendment rights over the last 50 years and with Chatrie v. United States it looks like they are expanding Fourth Amendment protection.

Now if the Executive and/or Legislative ignore those protections then not much can be done.

Similar to Denver, city votes out Flock, Mayor does a backdoor. Unless they elect someone new and/or bring the Mayor up on procedural charges or something then nothing will change.

[–] trinsic2 2 days ago

> The only solution is to elect better people. I know some people who hoped that Trump would be that in 2016 but he is just more of the same.

The system is rigged in such a way where that isn't a possibility. Look at the history of our country. ITS NOT WORKING.

The system has to change before we can elect better people. I cant believe I have to point this out with all thats going on... Every election the same arguments and the same responses.

[–] Larrikin 2 days ago

So to fix the system, people should throw up their hands, not vote and just complain about it in the comments instead?

I'll vote in primaries for the candidate that most represents my views and continue to not let perfect be the enemy of good on election day. Lip service and small improvement officials are always much better than officials that negatively target me or my community.

[–] trinsic2 2 days ago

No. We have to direct our energy to a different way of doing things. Voting inside of a corrupt system not working. Its like going into a mafia controlled city and voting for criminals expecting different results. How many decades need to elapse for this to be clear to you?

[–] timschmidt 2 days ago

Hey I found the person who's the reason there's a fully equipped contingent of the National Guard in every major city.

[–] pbhjpbhj 2 days ago

>Trump would be that in 2016 but he is just more of the same.

Trump is not more of the same. He actually changed my stance on people being evil and beyond redemption.

[–] klaff 2 days ago

> I know some people who hoped that Trump would be that in 2016 but he is just more of the same.

Trump's corruption is on such a different scale that calling him "more of the same" reads as a both sides argument.

[–] themaninthedark 2 days ago

Saying that calling out Trump's corruption while also calling out everyone else's corruption is a both sides argument reads as a my side doesn't have problems argument.

Trump sucks. So does Pelosi, so does Bush and Clinton. What, we need to rank how much they suck?

JFC man, if it's important to you to know how much each of them screwed you, then build a table or something. To me the degree doesn't matter because a little is bad enough.

[–] klaff 2 days ago

I think you hit the nail on the head. It IS important to know how much each one screwed you. A quick search shows various outlets saying Trump has enriched himself to the tune of between $1.6B and $4B during his presidencies. Doing the same search on Biden gets estimates of $15M from books and speaking, and a Republican-led House influence peddling page alleges as much as $20M having been received by "the Bidens and their associates".

Using that scale as a proxy Trump is two orders of magnitude more corrupt than Biden.

[–] trinsic2 1 day ago

I think we can all agree that Trump is the most corrupt we have seen for a long time. but It doesnt change that carrot and the stick problem. There are people operating to destroy freedom using these people as figureheads to push an authoritarian agenda, on both sides of the isle. Until people wake up to that, we have no chance to change this.