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points by mixdup 2 days ago | 0 comments

I mean in many (most?) states travelling in the left lane is a moving violation

Using it to fish for other violations is where it crosses into the fuzzy and sometimes outright illegal

The counter to this is demand that they write you the ticket for the moving violation, don't answer any questions other than providing the legally required license, registration, and insurance, and move on

If they don't have evidence of a crime, they can't detain you forever on the roadside

[–] nonethewiser 2 days ago

>Using it to fish for other violations is where it crosses into the fuzzy and sometimes outright illegal

OK.

Where is the dragnet?

[–] wyre 2 days ago

Do you own stock in Flock or Axon? I don't believe you are actually asking this is good faith.

Flock is a dragnet. It allows police to coordinate around apprehending suspects, which is the definition of dragnet, if you look at any dictionary.

[–] nonethewiser 2 days ago

Flock isn't publicly traded. How could I own stock in it?

>I don't believe you are actually asking this is good faith.

Well assume it, those are the rules.

Apprehending suspects is most certainly not the definition of a dragnet. This is precisely my point. Apprehending people indiscriminately is the definition of a dragnet. Stopping a specific person for something that isnt a crime may not be legal but its not a dragnet.

[–] wyre 2 days ago

You could be a private investor, an employee, etc. Just because a company is publicly traded doesn't mean you can't be financially invested with the success of a company.

Read it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragnet_(policing)

[–] nonethewiser 2 days ago

Could be, am not.

Do you understand why flock is not a dragnet now?

[–] wyre 2 days ago

No, you have done absolutely nothing to help me understand your perspective. You have only disagreed.

[–] antiframe 2 days ago

> Flock isn't publicly traded. How could I own stock in it?

Not all stock is publicly traded. I own stock that you can't buy on the exchange. It's quite common actually.

[–] nonethewiser 2 days ago

15.4% of families have private equity. Not unheard of but not what I would call quite common https://www.sec.gov/files/exploring-accredited-investors-jun...

[–] antiframe 2 days ago

I searched that PDF for family/families and found nothing, but I did find that you are actually even more correct. Most of that report is about accredited investors. Less than 5% of non-accredited investors own private securities. So, it's actually quite rare.

That said, to answer your question, you could own Flock stock. Private companies often offer stock to employees and others.

[–] mixdup 2 days ago

I'm not parent comment OP

[–] nonethewiser 2 days ago

You replied to my comment acknowledging that stopping her may be wrong but doesnt constitute a dragnet.