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points by shimman 2 days ago | 0 comments
Of course precedent has been set, the government is able to litigate civil infractions into full blown felonies if they decide to.

You're thinking of something unrelated.

We can totally take these civil crimes and turn them into a variety of felonies, with any luck we could put some software devs in federal prison too. Maybe after a few dozen of them get locked away for 10 years our profession might take ethics seriously.

[–] JumpCrisscross 2 days ago
> Of course precedent has been set, the government is able to litigate civil infractions into full blown felonies

Swartz "was prosecuted for multiple violations of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act of 1986 (CFAA)" and wire fraud statute [1]. The CFAA angle specifically rested on a legal theory around escalating terms-of-service violations into felonies. That theory never found precedent because it literally never went to court. As a matter of prosecutorial discretion, it has never been brought up again because it tanked Ortiz's career.

> You're thinking of something unrelated

What do you think I'm thinking of?

> We can totally take these civil crimes and turn them into a variety of felonies

We can. It would mean reviving that legal theory. If it results in a conviction it becomes real legal precedent. That, in turn, means we get more prosecutions like Aaron Swartz's.

> Maybe after a few dozen of them get locked away for 10 years our profession might take ethics seriously

Cutting off the nose to spite the face.

Why not go after them directly with taxes and prosecution under non-harebrained schemes?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Swartz

[–] shimman 1 day ago
Nothing you stated here is against what I am proposing: legalized state sanctioned lawfare against extremely undemocratic and anti-human organizations.

We are absolutely not cutting our noses off, what a dishonest reply. These engineers already broke the societal pact and they openly display deeply anti-human beliefs. Society does not agree with these beliefs and society should reflect this by having the full force of the government going after these companies that vast majorities of the public hate.

FWIW every single state has their own version of the CFAA laws. Some of which are drastically easier to litigate against these devs too as the services being impacted have users in every state.