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points by MisterTea 2 days ago | 0 comments

> For example, when you agree to Mazdas TOS for the connected services app,

Is there a database of car models that foist this bullshit on you so I can activly avoid ever buying them?

It's basically all manufacturers aside from Tesla. Tesla does not sell user/driver data, and only provides info to police when they have a warrant.

"Tesla never sells or rents your data to third-party companies. This includes your personal data and driving history."

Most manufacturers either sell this to brokers which cops easily consume, or only require subpoenas instead of warrants.

[–] hansvm 1 day ago

That's the normal legalese loophole. They don't sell or rent your data, but they share it free-of-charge with 10k of their favourite corporate friends who, in a completely unrelated transaction, have sent Tesla money for some reason or another.

[–] 93po 1 day ago

There is no evidence Tesla has or will done this, and suggesting as much as much basically school-yard-tier levels of rumor mongering.

[–] hansvm 1 day ago

- Their own privacy policy [0] says as much. "We may share your information [for] ... marketing"

- Their own list of third-party cookies [1] has a laundry list of those associated with personalized advertising across a variety of providers.

- ConsumerReports and Northeastern [2] found the car directly connecting to 34 advertising domains (with similar results from many other such investigations from other parties), not even bothering to filter it through Tesla servers.

And so on. This isn't a grand conspiracy. Privacy invasions are a big part of nearly every modern, large company. I'm not singling out Tesla in this instance. Repeating my claim, if the ToS bothers to say that your information is neither sold nor rented and the lawyer who drafted it didn't bother to include "sharing" in that promise, that omission was intentional approximately 100% of the time.

Good? Bad? You decide. It's happening though.

[0] https://www.tesla.com/legal/privacy#how-we-may-use-your-info...

[1] https://www.tesla.com/legal/cookies

[2] https://www.consumerreports.org/electronics/personal-informa...

[–] ahartman00 2 days ago

mozilla used to: https://www.mozillafoundation.org/en/blog/privacy-nightmare-...

[–] BobaFloutist 2 days ago

Yes, it's the database of car models.