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points by paxy 2 days ago | 0 comments
They have no doubt realized that hosting third party models is far more profitable.

Let someone else take on the research and training costs, and charge a massive premium for your hardware.

[–] diogenes_atx 2 days ago
There is intense competition in the AI industry, especially with AI firms in China driving down prices, so it seems likely that LLM's and software products may become fungible commodities that trade close to marginal cost = marginal revenue = minimum average total cost. In other words, most of the profits from AI and software development will be competed away, eventually.

Data center hardware, by contrast, is a scarce commodity with rapidly growing demand, and therefore likely to capture most of the profits from AI and software development, if current market conditions persist.

Today's IT business trends represent a remarkable change in the industry compared to the situation 50 years ago, when startups like Microsoft and Oracle, whose business models were based exclusively on software development, challenged and overthrew the dominant player, IBM, whose primary source of revenue was from hardware.

[–] mm321 2 days ago
> Let someone else take on the research and training costs, and charge a massive premium for your hardware.

the linked article is from July, it is almost three months old.

Now there may be a very relevant recent story; it has the potential to reduce the flow of new open weight models. This could change quite a few expectations, which are based on open weight models:

"China’s STAR 50 Index Falls 40%, Erasing $480 Billion as AI Stocks Crash"

https://www.technology.org/2026/10/27/china-ai-stock-bubble-...

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-ai-bubble-has-alre...

Reuters says there is a run, but also deeper reasons:

"There has been no obvious selling trigger in China, although traders said high prices, tax bills and the threat of the US or other nations banning Chinese equipment in data centers all contributed."

So far I don't see any discussions of this story on HN, interestingly.

[–] carefree-bob 2 days ago
Just as there is product-market fit, there is also product-company fit. Amazon as a company has their own cost of capital, earnings expectations, talent distribution, and organizational capacity. It is not a place where the best of the best work in mainline product development, nor is it a place that is willing or able to go through long periods of losing money in order to rapidly improve the product. The Amazon of old did that, and had different capabilities, but today's Amazon is not the same company.

Notice that you also see Google really struggling (and falling behind) in the AI race. This, despite massive resources and being responsible for key pioneering research. Same reason why IBM has failed in this area. The big established companies tend to shut their brightest people into research departments where they write papers and produce demos while the main cash cow areas remain undisturbed, so they have collections of bright people and they have money, but they rarely let their brightest people make big bets with the money, whereas startups do.

It's also why poor people spend more on lottery tickets than rich people.

[–] bushbaba 2 days ago
The best of the best do work at Amazon. Their cloud infra is world class. They just cannot compete in the ai/ml space with different economics. It’s an operational company and not one to do tech innovation.

Basically you want to run an LLM, Amazon. You want to build an LLM not Amazon

[–] alienbaby 2 days ago
The article implies they are wrapping up their current models, and instead aiming to go all in on a frontier class model?
[–] cwillu 2 days ago
“Instead, labor and computing power are being diverted toward a singular “frontier-model effort””

Sounds like the opposite of what you're suggesting they're doing?

[–] boringg 2 days ago
Seems like the smartest move. Microsoft went all in and have really not got much out of their efforts.
[–] aleph_minus_one 2 days ago
> Microsoft went all in and have really not got much out of their efforts.

The problem was rather that Microsoft had no real plan what they wanted to get out of AI. If they had a plan, they could have laser-focused their all-in on AI.

Instead, Microsoft just AI-slopped a lot of their bread-and-butter products, making them much worse than before. If AI is as revolutionizing and beloved by users as Microsoft believes, Microsoft could easily have created an offering like "Windows AI Pack" or "Microsoft AI" that should sell like hot cakes.

On the other hand, if you have to force AI functionality onto the users, it should be considered as a strong sign that perhaps it is not something that the users want.

[–] trimethylpurine 1 day ago
They forced Teams on everyone and it played out well for them. Users not wanting it might not itself be a sign that it's bad for business.
[–] ngc248 1 day ago
Regular ppl i.e non-techies love the copilot integration into all office products. Since techies know better, they think microsoft messed up with the AI integration everywhere.
[–] charlieyu1 1 day ago
Regular people don’t even upgrade to Win 10/11 unless they are forced to.
[–] aleph_minus_one 21 hours ago
> Regular people don’t even upgrade to Win 10/11 unless they are forced to.

In consideration how much spying functionality was added with Windows 10 (which worsened even more with Windows 11), and that Microsoft made it insanely hard to install Windows 11 without creating some Microsoft account, it is actually very sensible that people don't want to upgrade to Windows 10/11, despite the technological improvements that these versions provide.

[–] roryirvine 1 day ago
Even tech-adjacent folk in areas like product, user research and enterprise architecture seem to love it.

The bulk of the hands-on-keyboard time for those disciplines now seems to be using Copilot 365 as "fancy autocomplete" and "make this presentation better", Copilot Notebooks for deeper work, and coming up with all sorts of Copilot integrations and agents for managing email, Teams meetings and chats.

It's almost as if "copilot" has already become the generic term for "professional LLM", and many genuinely can't understand why us techies find it so limiting.

[–] watwut 1 day ago
> Regular ppl i.e non-techies love the copilot integration into all office products.

Do they, actually?

[–] red-iron-pine 1 day ago
no regular person i have met loves AI integration with anything

3 of the 4 orgs I consult with have actively warned people not to use it, and/or to only use their approved AI tool (OpenAI/Claude/Gemini)

clippy 2.0 is not selling well

[–] mancerayder 1 day ago
I, for one am very thankful for what Microsoft did with Windows 11. It has exactly the feature set, and AI value-add ... to inspire me to take the plunge to Fedora Workstation and I've never been happier. Even Steam games (kind of) work. More importantly dnf update -y becomes exciting.

Windows (and increasingly Apple) updates are more of a sigh and lip biting experience than an exciting one.

I'm really happy not to have touched Windows recently at all.

At work Microsoft's updates are buggy - Outlook and Teams are pretty awful on corporate Macs. Teams especially, it has a bunch of papercut type annoyances. And updates torture Corp IT.

[–] appplication 2 days ago
handshake meme with Amazon and Apple