[–] EvanAnderson 2 days ago
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[–] mvdwoord 2 days ago
Windows and Linux: A Tale of Two Kernels - Tech-Ed 2004
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[–] happymellon 1 day ago
Far too many features required 3rd party tooling to access, or were buried within menus of menus. Then were slowly either duplicated or replaced with half baked solutions.
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[–] tavavex 1 day ago
The closest they ever got to a 'nothing' NT was something like Windows Core or Factory/Validation OS. They still ship with some windowing capabilities, but they could strip them out if they wanted to, because there is a barebones text-only mode in Windows. Of course, all these editions are or were tightly regulated and only issued to big businesses who are supposed to have them, it's nothing that a Linux user would want.
[–] indrora 1 day ago
Windows didn't ship with a competent PDF reader for over a decade and some because of the DOJ: Any attempt by Microsoft to enter a market that already had a competition was seen as anticompetitive.
It's pretty trivial to get ValidationOS running, even down to RL1 where the kernel and NT execution environment are the only things you have: https://youtu.be/Zw5ysOJcY84?t=610
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No GUI, with admin through Powershell, remote MMC snap-ins, or the SCUM/SCOM automation stuff. The managed hosting company I worked for around 2010 used it fairly heavily, and it didn't seem much worse to admin than the CFEngine / Puppet type tooling we had for Linux at the time.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Cutler
Youtube has many of his interviews. The Computer History Museum (CHM) two part is perhaps most extensive. Links below to these. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29RkHH-psrY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVgSLud50ss[–] dontlaugh 1 day ago
[–] zbentley 19 hours ago
Pop quiz: across all kinds of FDs (including block files, dirfds, sockets, signalfds, eventfds, lock descriptors, /proc files, tmpfs files, timerfds, and so on), which features of {select/epoll, io_uring, O_NOBLOCK, inotify/fanotify, etc.} are supported?
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[–] hagbard_c 1 day ago
Well, yes, it was designed and it also was a reimplementation of an existing thing, this being VMS. Since it was designed by the designer of VMS (Dave Cutler) it would be comparable to the fictional ThoRix which would be a new OS designed by Thomson and Ritchie after they did Unix.
[–] EvanAnderson 1 day ago
My nitpick with the "reimplementation of VMS" statement would be that it didn't target source portability of VMS applications like Linux (and the GNU C library running on top of it) does with Unix/POSIX applications. I see it as Cutler and his team taking lessons learned from VMS and building something new incorporating those lessons in a different requirements framework.
[–] pjmlp 1 day ago
However Windows NT originally was already POSIXy, what it lacked all these years was Microsoft being serious about POSIX subsystem, had that been the case, probably Linux would never taken off among PC, the same experience as OS X would be there in 1993.
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[–] RetroTechie 23 hours ago
THIS, so much. One time (~1995 or so?) I bought a boxed SUSE Linux release. Pulled out the book, and practically on the 1st page, there was a copyright notice specifically allowing anyone to copy that book & pass it on. Whereas for practically every other book I'd had in my hands up to that point, copyright notices consisted of various "forbidden to do X, Y or Z" statements.
That right there convinced me I had something different, something special in my hands. Disclaimer: I had read about "open source" before, so I did know what I was looking at. But still it felt special.
Unsurprisingly: note the documentation linked to at the end of jmmv's Unix<->NT comparison above. They're ALL Amazon "buy this book" links. Over on the Linux/BSD side of the fence, such references are typically web pages, man pages, a free-download pdf or the like.
It's not the "free beer" aspect that got me over time. It's the "open", "sharing", "community project", versus "closed", "profit", "property of BigCorp Inc".
[–] pjmlp 1 day ago
I had no way to do proper POSIX development at home with the Windows NT limitations, and access to the university labs running a mix of DG/UX and Solaris servers was rather limited.
[–] JdeBP 1 day ago
That said: please do not become yet another abuser of the 'xterm' terminal type ('xterm-16color' in this case). Thomas Dickey has a lot to say on the subject of things that pretend to be XTerm and are not. Windows NT has first-class terminal types of its own, and has had for about 30 years at this point. Pick whether you're going to be cloning the old CSRSS or the new Microsoft Terminal, or even something else like the old POSIX subsystem or MS/PC/DR-DOS.
* https://invisible-island.net/ncurses/terminfo.src.html#tic-i...
* https://invisible-island.net/ncurses/terminfo.src.html#tic-m...
* https://invisible-island.net/ncurses/terminfo.src.html#tic-w...
* https://invisible-island.net/ncurses/terminfo.src.html#toc-_...
* https://invisible-island.net/ncurses/terminfo.src.html#toc-_...
* https://invisible-island.net/ncurses/terminfo.src.html#toc-_...
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[–] phendrenad2 2 days ago
That is impressive
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[–] dvfjsdhgfv 1 day ago
> The contract is that the syscalls and low-level interfaces match those of NT, but not the daemons or how the kernel itself is structured. This is in contrast to what ReactOS aims to do, which is an exact recreation of Windows.
[–] userbinator 2 days ago
The POSIX functions are split over ucrtbase, iphlpapi, and ws2_32, as on Windows, with anything that Windows doesn't implement put in mnposix.
LOL. POSIX in ucrtbase! Those are words that I never expected to see together.
I used AI to help with the mechanical parts of porting
I feel like it won't be long before someone comes up with a crazy chimera of an OS that can run DOS, Windows, Linux, BSD, and macOS binaries. It doesn't look like AI is replacing software developers, but rather boosting them quite significantly; there seems to be a lot of activity and new projects I've seen recently from many who aren't even using AI themselves, but must be somehow being inspired by others to do more.
[–] pjmlp 1 day ago
So in those platforms you can also enjoy having private symbols by default, delayed loading on first call, and the joy of import files.
[–] RetroTechie 23 hours ago
This is the future, imho: some tiny, cross-platform, ultra-reliable kernel (like seL4), a set of shims that offer different sets of APIs (OS "personalities" if you will) to apps, an emulator, VM or binary translation layer here & there, all happily living under the same roof.
*BSD (including Linux compat layer) + Wine + some emulators like DOSBox already goes a long way. MS Windows desktop running on top of Linux isn't outside the realm of the possible either. And be sure to check Genode OS.
Fun times ahead!
[–] yjftsjthsd-h 2 days ago
TBF, the only missing part of this is that Darling isn't developed enough to run many Darwin programs; otherwise you can have that today by installing WINE+DOSBox+Darling on Linux or your pick of *BSD or illumos. (Well, running *BSD programs on other systems is a weak point, but otherwise.)
[–] maharmstone 2 days ago
There's nothing in Moxnox ucrtbase that's not also in Windows ucrtbase. open(), read(), and write() are all POSIX functions in ucrtbase.
A person after my own heart. NT was actually designed, versus being a reimplementation of an existing thing.