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points by awesome_dude 2 days ago | 0 comments
> Spying on American citizens is a bipartisan point of agreement.

Not an American, but I can totally understand the need of governments to spy on its citizens that it has EVIDENCE of being involved in behaviour or activities that threaten the nation.

For example - if it had evidence that certain citizens were involved in espionage of their country, and they were thus passing on serious information to actors or other states that were intent on using that information to harm the nation, I would most definitely want those citizens to be spied upon.

Such evidence could be: Engaging in, or communicating with, known extremist organisations or forums known to be frequented by such individuals.

[–] balderdash 1 day ago
The distinction I suspect is targeted spying vs mass spying. I don’t think anyone is going to get upset about a targeted counter espionage operation, but spying on the public at large with no evidence of suspicion of wrongdoing is another matter.
[–] awesome_dude 17 hours ago
We still tolerate some mass surveillance - traffic cameras being the most obvious (albeit public ones, some people are getting upset about private ones)
[–] AngryData 2 days ago
What you are describing would be straight up treason. The fact that treason charges are almost never laid upon anyone shows it is a farce.