[–] peri-cl 2 days ago
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[–] throwa356262 1 day ago
This feels like the opposite of benchmaxing. Maybe "minbenching" can become a word now?
[–] hgoel 1 day ago
An issue I think all benchmarks suffer from is regarding precision. What does a one point difference mean? How many points of difference is needed to translate into a meaningful distinction between models?
Among fellow humans, we often find ourselves picking what we consider to be most intelligent and then designing the tests around that. I've noticed a similar thing in AI, where whatever OAI/Anthropic decide to focus on improving becomes the new measure of intelligence. With their latest models, this seems to be 3d modeling/game making capabilities. Unsurprisingly, because that isn't what the Chinese companies have been focusing on, they appear behind on "frontier" reasoning tests. On top of that, older tests end up being discarded for being saturated. Makes me think that maybe unintentionally, the methodology used for these scores might be biased towards Western companies.
This would also fit with the widely discussed decline in writing quality from Opus and the worse readability of code produced by one of OAI's recent models, despite benchmarks continuing to show progress on all fronts.
Plus, if they're going to update the benchmark so frequently to discard saturated components, is there even a research-related point to keeping it private?
[–] simonjgreen 2 days ago
This is really sus. I’d love a more detailed explanation and “take” from AA on what problem they felt needed correcting and why things have shuffled the way they have. And how they can claim their index has relevance if positions can be switched around so easily.
[–] dannyw 2 days ago
One was rushed and same-day updated as GLM 5.3 (iirc) got added; of course its main change to rankings was lower GLM scores.
[–] tirpen 1 day ago
It was released, got the top agantic ranking, and AA immediately made an update to their index calculation that made it lose the top spot. It was very suspicious.
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[–] yorwba 2 days ago
I prefer Epoch's https://epoch.ai/eci methodology as they explicitly model benchmark saturation and also provide error bars for their estimates.
[–] irthomasthomas 2 days ago
This update is even worse than usual because it now includes two private sources, data which we can't reproduce if we wanted to do.
Also note that Anthropic is the only AI company actually caught red handed cheating at evals. Teaching their models to memorize test answers and lie about it, using their hidden reasoning tokens to hide the deception [0]. Yet we see no comment from AA about this. No desire to figure out which tests are tainted. Hopefully Trump bans this fake intelligence index.
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https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/6175633-trump-ba...
[–] arcanemachiner 2 days ago
What happens when you release a new benchmark? Models magically start scoring better against it.
How do you overcome this? Release a new benchmark and start the process over again!
All other things being equal, they should retarget their prices if models start gaming the process to top their index.
Has this happened? Maybe. Is their new scoring system biased towards the American frontier models? Quite possibly.
I have my suspicions, but they have led me astray before. I will continue to be cautiously cynical, though.
[–] sourcecodeplz 2 days ago
this is i think the difference in this new analysis.
doesnt mean deepseek is bad or useless.
[–] ozgung 2 days ago
[–] chvid 2 days ago
Why are they using a closed source LLM as a judge? Closed source providers can see your traffic and adjust as they see fit.
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[–] mariopt 2 days ago
The current placement of many models simply doesn't makes sense, GLM 5.3 is so much better than Astra at backend tasks, Astra does the most weird nonsensical bugs.
This is what happens when the benchmark team is funded by VC capital.
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[–] dannyw 2 days ago
I can see (and believe) Astra beating GLM 5.3 on verifiable hard domains like maths, etc; but we’re at this stage where intelligence scores and even ‘frontier real world unsaturated benchmarks’ really doesn’t reflect real world use anymore.
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[–] pritambaral 1 day ago
Or improves. With third-party fine-tuning.
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[–] wyrdcurt 2 days ago
edit to add: there totally is benchmaxxing going on, but I'd be really surprised if it wasn't across the board. After all, how can any lab tell if their model has improved over a previous iteration, if not by comparing benchmark performance?
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[–] wyrdcurt 2 days ago
American models are too rich for my blood though. I use GLM 5.3 Flash more than any other model and it has the same issues as Mimo. Deepseek 4.1 Flash is turning out to be a sweet spot for me; it's cheap and blazing fast on CoralBricks where I've been using it, so I don't mind when it overthinks (I try to pay attention to what my agents are doing, and it tends to finish tasks before I can skim half of its reasoning)
[–] rbehrends 2 days ago
That especially the small flash models that are primarily optimized for coding tasks would perform worse at non-coding tasks is not per se surprising to me. The introduction of Terminal-Bench Science 0.1 in particular hurts their aggregate scores [2].
The general question remains of how meaningful aggregating the results of very heterogeneous tasks into a single numeric score is. (Aside from general questions about individual benchmark validity.)
Note: the cyber index is also interesting. While refusals make it somewhat opaque, even if you optimistically count all refusals for Opus and Fable as successes, the results are ... fascinating [3].
I'll add that I really want to know how Opus 4.x and Codex 5.x perform on the new index. Once we have that information, this is going to give us a better understanding of how meaningful the scores are.
[1] https://artificialanalysis.ai/#coding-agents-tabs
[2] https://artificialanalysis.ai/evaluations/terminal-bench-sci...
[–] roenxi 2 days ago
It is hard to tell what people are trying to say when they use undefined words with no particular meaning. This doesn't seem to change the relative position of the Chinese models much. The Chinese are a month or few behind and the state of intelligence is so volatile that the top 10 will be completely different in 6 months. I'd expect it to still be a mix of US and Chinese models with the US models leading.
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[–] ozgung 2 days ago
One can argue though some models are post-trained heavily for specific benchmarks and less for other datasets. So they are weaker on out of distribution tasks.
[–] XenophileJKO 2 days ago
- Exact problems on benchmark.
- Similar problems to benchmark.
- Broad class of problems or techniques that might apply to benchmark
Each has very different ramifications for how the model performs. The current evidence is that Anthropic and OpenAI is generally operating lower in the list.
[–] Havoc 2 days ago
That seems improbable
[–] piterrro 2 days ago
My harness consists of multi-level AGENTS.md and SOUL.md containing "grug brain developer" and "asd-ste100" type of speech for clearer communication.
[–] ilumanty 2 days ago
[–] piterrro 2 days ago
btw. I'm not reviewing code in detail anymore. I only give direction and provide architecture design vision, its the model and couple of async agents working in the background and consuming work resulting in PRs which I manually approve after an eye-glance.
[–] XenophileJKO 2 days ago
The reason I personally like Opus 5.5 is that after using it quite a bit, I can just say something like: "Please take care of this compliance ticket." The model handles research, record keeping and code changes. Consistently and correctly.
I just don't have the level of trust in a lower end model. Even Opus 5.5 isn't quite ready for "driverless" in some architectural situations, usually around change management in the middle of implementing a system.
I was just kind of surprised to hear you were fairly hands off with a lower model like DS.
[–] piterrro 1 day ago
I can ask for a review from another agent (they often find NITs) if I'm hesitating.
[–] mirekrusin 2 days ago
Kimi K3.1 Pro: −9
DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: −13
GLM-5.3: −13
MiMo-V2.6-Pro: −16
Proprietary models
GPT-6 Astra: +4
GPT-6.1 Sol: +3
GPT-6.1 Terra: +3
Claude Opus 5.5: 0
Claude Sonnet 5.5: −2
Claude Fable 5.1: −3
Gemini 4 Argon (high): −3
Muse Wonder Full: −6
Claude Haiku 5.5: −7
Muse Wonder: −9
Gemini 3.8 Flash (high): −10
Grok 4.7 (high): −11
Is there affiliation with OpenAI or coincidence?
[–] susiamongi 2 days ago
There was a thread here about families of models responding in the same patterns to specific queries like "say a random word", and it takes less than two minutes to verify it is true. It'll take a bit of effort to not convince me this change wasn't reverse-benchmaxxed to screw everyone other than OpenAI. I'll be less distrustful after everyone is done IPO-ing.
[–] moostii 2 days ago
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[–] nolok 2 days ago
Eg asking "here are all the contract I'm subscribed to, here is what happened, is there any insurance that covers me and if yes which one is the best to make the claim to and why, and provide all the article to prove why and how i'm not in the exclusion list". Try it with random stuff of your every day life. Opus is both great and not great.
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[–] thereitgoes456 2 days ago
One of the new benchmarks is FrontierCode 2.0 by Cognition. AA seems to have accepted Cognition's benchmark scores without questioning, but they should have looked more closely.
On this benchmark, Anthropic's models are run using Claude Code; OpenAI's using Codex, and Gemini is run using... Cognition's own Devin (not Antigravity). Thus its score is much lower than it should be, knocking ~3 points off its AA score. All open-source models are also inexplicably run using Devin, damaging their scores as well.
This may even be intentional, if Cognition has beef with Google, since Antigravity was built using Windsurf's technology. But aside from that, it is to their advantage to make Anthropic/OAI look like leaders in the AI market. They are a company known to lie and exaggerate again and again, so I have trouble giving them benefit of the doubt.
[–] shelfchair 2 days ago
[1] https://artificialanalysis.ai/evaluations/frontiercode-2-0
[–] thereitgoes456 2 days ago
It's interesting that the Stirrup scores are somewhat close to the specialized harness scores. Either Stirrup is quite excellent or is it that harness doesn't matter so much after a point?
[–] zurfer 2 days ago
I would think it's the opposite as a more competitive frontier for llms makes the labs shed some margins and enable a broader ecosystem.
[–] thereitgoes456 2 days ago
Additionally: competitive frontier = more commodified = high valuations under more scrutiny.
[–] alexaholic 2 days ago
1. Is there a benchmark measuring how much better an LLM performs when you tell it "you are an X"?
2. Does telling an AI agent "you are an AI agent" actually help? Is it the LLM equivalent of reminding a senior developer they're a senior developer, making them feel guilty about being lazy and finally getting them to do their job?
3. What happens when the persona conflicts with the task? If you tell it "you are a PM" and then ask it to write code, does it struggle? Produce worse code? Spawn a sub-agent and tell it they're a senior developer?
[1] https://artificialanalysis.ai/methodology/intelligence-bench...
[–] hobofan 2 days ago
As long as that's the case, it's no surprise that there is often a perceived difference of quality between benchmarks and real-world use.
I know that running the full composite benchmark set is probably already quite costly, and also that the benchmarks have to be rotated regularly, but it feels like a significant untackled problem.
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[–] wyre 2 days ago
AAv5.0: 25% Knowledge work: AA-Briefcase v1.1 - 15% AutomationBench-AA - 5% GDP.pdf - 5% (-5%) 25% Coding: FrontierCode 2.0 - 15% (new) Terminal-Bench4.0 - 10% 25% Science: Terminal-Bench Science .1- 15% (new) CritPt v2 (hard subset) - 10% (new version) 25% General: AA-Omniscience v1.1 - 15% HLE-Diamond - 10%
AAv4.3: 30% Agents: AA-Briefcase v1.1 - 15% GDPval-AA v2 - 10% AutomationBench-AA - 5% 20% Coding: Terminal-Bench4.0 - 10% SciCode - 10% 30% General: AA-Omniscience (Accuracy) - 10% AA-Omniscience (Non-hallucination) - 5% GDP.pdf - 10% AA-LCR v1.1 - 5% 20% Scientific Reasoning: HLE - 10% CritPt 10%
tldr: gained Terminal-Bench Science and FrontierCode, dropped SciCode, GDPval-AA and AA-LCR. Lowered weight of GDP.pdf.
[–] rienbdj 2 days ago
Will an LLM topping this bench be the end of humanity? The doomer rhetoric has no place in what should be an objective measure.
[–] chvid 2 days ago
[–] HarHarVeryFunny 1 day ago
Hard to trust that a for-profit benchmarking company isn't biased due to profit-maxxing.
[–] mindwok 2 days ago
They perform pretty badly on the new benchmarks introduced.
[–] himata4113 2 days ago
The score hit on smaller models is a welcome change especially when compared to models that nearly 10 times larger.
Grok being punished quite a lot is also a very welcome change as the model is frankly not that good.
I would love to see few more points knocked off haiku by introducing steerability/creativity benchmarks.
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[–] throwa356262 1 day ago
You need a method to show you RL is improving the model that is separate from the training data.
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[–] liquicity 2 days ago
One thing I’m still surprised / unsure on is haiku 5.5 max besting latest deepseek - but also I think the last haiku was so incredibly bad I still hold some bias whilst using the new one.
GLM 5.3-flash: N/A
https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/glm-5-3-flash/
Qwen 3.8-flash-next: N/A
https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/qwen3-8-flash-next