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points by john_strinlai 1 day ago | 0 comments

huh... shadowban of some sort because they aren't appearing as [dead] on my side. not sure what rule i broke, but okay.

thanks dang/tomhow.

Some of your comments were killed because our software classified the text as genai. That's not allowed on HN - see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html#generated and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47340079.

[–] john_strinlai 1 day ago

none of my text is genai. ever. and i dont appreciate your insinuation that it is.

the comment that started this was quoting directly from the HSI document.

this comment was one that was killed: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50273618 can you please tell me how i can write it so your bot doesn't think i am a bot?

same for this one https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50273525 or this one https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50274615. i'll take advice on how to rewrite the original one too (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50272749) because im at a loss for words how it was classified as genai.

edit: i just ran all of my recent comments through pangram and they came back 100% human (which i knew, of course, considering i wrote them), so i am really not clear on how you want me to write my comments. apparently using my own words isn't enough for you or your bot.

[–] tomhow 1 day ago

OK, well there seem to have been a couple of false positives and perhaps a glitch in one case, which we'll look into. Sorry about that. In the case of the quote from the HSI document, perhaps that text you copied/pasted was LLM-enhanced (the comment was classified as genai according to all the methods we use, but of course no approach is 100% accurate).

False positives are going to happen, no matter how much we try to make our systems infallible, and you're welcome to email us if any comments of yours get killed and aren't quickly vouched by other users.

I can still confirm that your comments weren't being killed via any deliberate moderator intervention.

[–] john_strinlai 1 day ago

alright, that's fine, and thanks for saying it. false positives are expected, but your initial reply was not.

[–] tomhow 1 day ago

Thanks for understanding. I should have read the comments more closely and normally do, but I was on the defensive after the comment seemed to accuse us of killing comments, or at least make assumptions that we did or would do that.

[–] MSFT_Edging 1 day ago

fwiw I'm seeing these comments.

[–] john_strinlai 1 day ago

yeah, they were vouched for. but, for example, others were not and are still hidden (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50273618). and apparently this one, too.

the most annoying part is that i got no indication that i was suddenly shadowbanned. if someone didn't tell me, it would have probably been a day or two at least of wondering why i had no engagement on my comments.

no notification, no appeal system outside of email and pray. very cool system.

[–] c22 1 day ago

Informing the subject they are shadowbanned would kind of defeat the purpose of the shadowban. Might as well just issue a regular ban then.

It's nice that this place maintains an email endpoint that's actually staffed by humans who can intervene if needed. That's more than can be said about most places these days.

[–] john_strinlai 1 day ago

>Informing the subject they are shadowbanned would kind of defeat the purpose of the shadowban. Might as well just issue a regular ban then.

shadow bans here have no purpose. i would have found out in a couple days even if no one told me. so yes, it might as well just be a regular ban, correct. at least that way i would know what rule i broke.

[–] chaps 1 day ago

Definitely some weirdness going on in this whole thread in general. It went from front page to 5th page in an instant.