"Ten days later, macOS and all applications that rely on it still trust the compromised eMudhra certificates" would have been a better title.
[–] whizzter 1 day ago
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[–] throwaway2037 1 day ago
Is it possible for users to remove the eMudhra certificates themselves? I have no experience with MacOS, so I don't know if certain actions are prohibited. To be clear: I am not suggesting that normies do this! Rather, I am asking if it is possible for highly skilled users.
[–] bombcar 1 day ago
Certificate management is fifty kinds of all messed up - and in THEORY everything is designed perfectly and properly, in practice it's all bandaids on bandaids that nobody cares about as long as "things mostly work".
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[–] bombcar 1 day ago
So from a spherical cow perspective, it's well-designed; from a "this has to work in the real world with real things and people" it's ... workable by violation of the design all the time.
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[–] ToucanLoucan 1 day ago
Tangentially related: I fucking hate so much that browsers now all have their own DNS resolvers and caches, it's just Another Fucking Thing to debug when you're working especially on locally hosted stuff. This is not a browser's job, it's a task that should fall to the OS.
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[–] ToucanLoucan 1 day ago
Edit: Found it, February 2020: https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/firefox-continues-push-t...
[–] pelican0 1 day ago
Out of curiosity, what are some of those things it messed up for you? And what kinds of builds is it affecting?
[–] ToucanLoucan 1 day ago
And like, I don't need that. My DNS server is properly maintained and queries those exact same servers itself when you request something like google.com or apple.com. Putting a separate friggin DNS query AND cache in a browser is just more trying to protect people from themselves IMO, and introduces this weird issue where you can't hit an internal site in Firefox, even though you're running `nslookup` on your freaking computer, and it's giving you the proper IP address. And paradoxically putting the IP address in makes the browser find it when the domain you can see correctly resolving in terminal isn't resolving in the browser is fucking obnoxious.
It also would render a pihole useless because Firefox despite the PC's DNS not resolving ad provider's names, WILL resolve them, ensuring an attack vector for malware remains wide open even if you've tried to close it.
And while I'm bitching about this: STOP DEFAULTING EVERY CONNECTION TO HTTPS. Any properly configured website is going to do this anyway, the browser also doing it, again, just annoys the piss out of anyone trying to host stuff locally because why the fuck would I get certificates for servers that aren't even exposed to the damn Internet!?
[–] Dylan16807 1 day ago
Attackers won't do it. The browser itself has to put barriers in front of http for public domains.
But yeah it shouldn't get so fussy for local IPs or local DNS.
[–] emn13 21 hours ago
Both from a sheer numbers perspective and also from the perspective of qualitative differences between these audiences browsers are doing the right thing - prioritizing security in low-to-no-trust environments assuming low-to-no-competence administration.
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[–] bombcar 1 day ago
Welcome to hell. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNS_over_HTTPS
(My current chrome reports no at https://one.one.one.one/help/ so maybe I changed it or maybe the default's different now)
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[–] brookst 1 day ago
Apple fucked this up, but I really don't think the situation is "as bad if not worse" than if MacOS just didn't do this.
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[–] paulddraper 1 day ago
> kubernetes
[–] musicale 1 day ago
If only we could somehow share libraries and configuration files across apps rather than duplicating them and having to update them for every app individually.
We could call it a "shared library" system and an "operating" system. Someone should really invent this.
I mean, even docker could maybe use a shared base image or something right? ;-)
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[–] xp84 1 day ago
There’s very little actually running in a docker container. ca-certs may actually be an exceptional case though, since it’s not code that’s running but a kind of data.
It’s not like if you use an Ubuntu image for a node.js app that you get PHP too and have the PHP vulnerability present in your web app.
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[–] lakeviewterrace 1 day ago
That's the world we live in now thanks to Google and Mozilla.
[–] emn13 21 hours ago
It's also worth remembering that both of these specific organizations were instrumental in major, positive security shifts that eventually hit OS's too, including shorter-lived certs, limiting the point of CAs, adoption of TLS 1.3, and likely other things. If anything, they deserve _more_ trust than the OS distributors on this specific front, perhaps also because they don't share the OS distributor's incentive to prioritize stability for paying customers, which can be at odds at times with harsh, prompt security measures.
[–] musicale 1 day ago
https://support.apple.com/en-us/149555
[–] gchamonlive 1 day ago
But this abstract exercise is only to highlight the importance of Apple getting its shit together, because such a scenario exists with Windows and the culture of downloading exes and msis and it's honestly way worse than having a central but responsible authority.
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