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points by unethical_ban 1 day ago | 0 comments
I outright think deporting every person here undocumented now is not ethical, or beneficial to society, given the history of immigration and enforcement in this country.

https://wannabewonk.com/how-are-they-different/

>Many of the discussions above are based on a central fact: Undocumented immigrants are here, now, in large numbers. In a world where America had zero undocumented residents, arguments could be made to be less tolerant of their presence, to discourage them from being here. It wouldn't be patently inhumane to deport someone if they have been here weeks, rather than years or decades.

A serious, ethical attempt to reduce illegal immigration would be to set a path to legal, documented residence for all current non-felon aliens, and begin "undocumented" enforcement with a clean slate.

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edit to reply to Izikiel43 since my participation in the thread has been throttled:

Is it incomprehensible that we could have a compromise solution not involving deportation of tens of millions of people, while at the same time implementing employment validation and other checks that begin actually doing immigration enforcement before families settle?

You assume that a path to legal citizenship for long-time residents here would 100% mean the situation would repeat itself, and I disagree.

[–] Izikiel43 1 day ago
> A serious, ethical attempt to reduce illegal immigration would be to set a path to legal, documented residence for all current non-felon aliens

Why follow the rules then? If it happens once, it can happen again, it would have the opposite effect.

[–] Jensson 1 day ago
I agree, but that is not for ICE to decide. Democrats should have fixed this a long time ago, USA isn't a one party state so if Democrats wanted to fix this they could have. But they too didn't want undocumented immigrants to gain full rights, it is very useful to have abusable second class citizens around for the upper classes.

So the problem here isn't ICE, it is Trump and his politics. ICE following the law and doing their job is the wrong target.

[–] unethical_ban 1 day ago
Of the half-dozen or so attempts at immigration reform in the past 25 years, every one of them has been blocked by Republicans.

IMO, Republicans like the status quo because the business class enjoys exploiting workers they can threaten with deportation, and they enjoy it as a rallying cry for their voting base.