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points by cogman10 1 day ago | 0 comments

ICE is rogue* agency. They need to be disbanded. Fine if we still have an agency doing ICE work or whatever, but every single person employed by ICE needs to be fired, potentially prosecuted, definitely black listed from federal government work, and their funds returned for the blatant unconstitutional and dangerous use they've been put towards.

Put them back under the DoJ and have the FBI handle criminals, not ICE. Bring back the INS.

* Misspelled initially

[–] apexalpha 1 day ago

They aren't rogue, they're what you call "kings guard". They're there to protect the President, not serve the country.

They're doing exactly what you expect of such a 'secret police' based on the history of basically all other secret polices.

[–] Kapura 1 day ago

They are doing exactly what they are being asked to do. There's nothing rogue about what they are doing. They are following orders.

[–] Permik 1 day ago

As history has already shown during the Nuremberg Trials, "Following orders" doesn't absolve the individual responsibility of the people under command.

[–] jimbokun 1 day ago

Words have meaning.

Rogue would imply they are doing something at odds with the President’s wishes. The reality is worse.

[–] baron3dl 1 day ago

Pardon powers, OTOH...

[–] sagarm 1 day ago

The Republican way:

There are those the law protects but does not bind.

And then there's us.

I think we're deep into a post-law environment at this point, though. People who weren't bound by the law will not be protected by it either.

[–] cogman10 1 day ago

Spying on political enemies and arresting citizens? That's completely outside of their statutory powers.

[–] dmkolobov 1 day ago

The whole point is that powers don't matter. Orders do.

[–] Iolaum 1 day ago

If only those who are intended to oversee the proper use of those powers could take offense at this misuse ...

[–] kennywinker 1 day ago

But they aren’t following the constitution or the rule of law, hence rogue.

[–] Kapura 1 day ago

brother it is the executive branch that isn't following the constitution. if your house is on fire you don't say "oh no! curtains are burning!"

[–] kennywinker 1 day ago

Ice is under the executive branch. They are one and the same thing

[–] cogman10 1 day ago

The point of bring all this up isn't to expect the trump admin to do anything, it's an expectation of a (hopefully) future democrat admin to change forces and stop framing the ICE problem as a training or lack of body cams issue.

[–] rurp 1 day ago

A core principle of a free democratic society is that everyone has obligations to more than the whims of a wannabe fascist dictator. ICE agents who do things like violently assault peaceful citizens are in the wrong, both morally and legally. The fact that the current president wants to destroy the pillars of our society means there won't be immediate consequences for that kind of behavior, but that doesn't make it any less despicable or immunize them against future consequences.

[–] dgellow 1 day ago

Dude you mean rogue? Or red (rouge means red in French)?

[–] cogman10 1 day ago

At least you know I'm not using AI for my comments :)

[–] dgellow 15 hours ago

I just noticed my own autocorrect mistake, I meant “did you”, not dude you :)