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points by 123ajhz 1 day ago | 0 comments

The AI tribe backed by $billions of influencer money calls others "tribal".

Can the AI people even devise an original argument by themselves or do they always just plagiarize and flip them?

sometimes, it feels like AI people are incapable of understanding that the concerns we have with this can encompass more than purely productivity and convenience :/

[–] vconnor 1 day ago

Haven’t you heard? Having no morals or sense of ethics is called being ‘pragmatic’

[–] surajrmal 1 day ago

Look, I'm not an AI supporter, but you can't put your head in the sand about things it does well. Even if you don't use it to produce production code, using it for research, prototyping, etc is still incredibly useful.

[–] officeplant 1 day ago

Alternatively

>Look I'm not an anti-AI supporter, but you can't put your head in the sand about the environmental and social destruction it causes. Even if you use it to do good it's still incredibly harmful.

We aren't putting our heads in the sand, we're objecting to increasingly frantic pushes on a global scale to force this shit on us all. We're doing harm reduction on every front we can from personal lives to software.

[–] surajrmal 17 hours ago

You're not talking about the same thing I am. You're suggesting there are negative externalities from using AI. I generally agree with that take. But I am suggesting AI is generally useful. I am not discussing if it's a net positive for society, but it's very likely a net positive for individuals, especially those who produce code.

[–] cvbakj 1 day ago

This thread is specifically about "as little AI code as possible". And you use the "head in the sand" platitude about other uses of AI!

Can AI people even think any longer? You can peck on the downvote button like a hen, that's it.

[–] surajrmal 17 hours ago

Attacking individuals rather than discussing the problem concretely is generally not beneficial to useful discussions. I don't get why there is such a us vs them mentality going on. I feel like you're exemplifying the idea of not thinking critically.

[–] syshyk 18 hours ago

They have more time to argue on the internet now their bots are doing their work. /s

[–] lproven 1 day ago

> just plagiarize and flip them

FWIW this is a common human tactic in general. It's called DARVO.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARVO

I note, neutrally, that it is typically a pattern seen in cases of abusive relationships.

Me personally, I see it a lot when confronting anthropogenic global warming deniers. They tend to hysterically shriek at me that I am a conspiracy theorist, science denier, etc. when of course the truth is that climate denialism is a conspiracy theory, as realistic as Flat Earthers and Young Earth Creationists.