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points by lgleason 1 day ago | 0 comments

For years the social contract was that neither side did it to the other because once that rubicon was crossed, both sides would do it.

As a centrist my observation is that that left crossed it first, believing that they were doing it for a just cause. Unfortunately that broke the contract and now we are seeing both sides trying to grab power by any means necessary. Until both sides de-escalate, this will continue.

Just like war, many innocent people will pay the price as collateral damage until a truce can be negotiated.

[–] Jcampuzano2 1 day ago

I'm honestly curious. What line do you think the left crossed first? There is nothing in my mind that comes even close to the lines that have been crossed by this administration.

Just that line alone makes me think you're far less centrist than you claim to be.

[–] baron3dl 1 day ago

This response is rich in vibes, low in fact, but my guess is OP is generally referring to things like the FBI's storming of Branch Davidian compound in Waco, the infiltration and surveillance of organizations, basically right and far right, in response to the OKC bombing, in the name of preventing domestic terrorism.

Go farther back and we have Hoover building kompromat on basically everyone, farther still you get McCarthy anti-Left. I don't think there's an era without any kind of corruption or abuse of power. It's romantic to think there was ever restraint, and like believing so seems to depend on starting the clock at an aribitrary historical point.

[–] nullstyle 1 day ago

If you aren’t going to include a shred of justification to back up why you think the left started it, you’re just deluding yourself that you are a centrist.

[–] urspx 1 day ago

Huh? In what way did the left cross it first?

[–] nexus2045 1 day ago

The radical left celebrated the death of Charlie Kirk. And long before that, they were doing all kinds of harassment on college campuses. And don’t forget about the BLM riots.

[–] Steltek 16 hours ago

The Hortman's, who were actual elected politicians, were assasinated before Kirk so no?

And what does any of that have to do with a Government-run, nation-wide spying operation?

[–] NietzscheanNull 1 day ago

Under the first amendment, Americans have the right to celebrate the death of anyone they please. It might not be tasteful or respectful, it might be inflammatory, but that's an American freedom enshrined in constitutional law; freedom of speech is integral and fundamental to the US national identity.

As to your last point, I don't recall BLM ever storming the capitol and defiling the building by smearing the walls with their own feces, but in any case, rioters are criminals under the law and should be tried and charged according to due process.

[–] bamboozled 1 day ago

They called really racist people Nazi’s as fascists and it went from there.

Not saying I agree but if I had to guess…

[–] sligbad 1 day ago

Calling people Nazis online ... and a state sponsored billion dollar surveillance program ... Are what you're choosing to equivocate?

[–] calculatte 1 day ago

"Calling people Nazis online" has resulted in countless murders, violent riots. Do not downplay it like that.

[–] patagurbon 1 day ago

> countless murders

We can very easily count the murders that happen in the US every year. With the exception of COVID, which was largely due to unemployment and school closures, homicide has dropped precipitously since the invention of “calling people Nazis online”

Where are all these murders caused by calling out racism and fascism?