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points by hoppp 1 day ago | 0 comments

I think rational tool use doesn't have to be tribalist. Right tool for the right job.

It becomes tribalism when there is an enemy. Us and them, mac vs pc, AI vs Humans, the left vs the right.

[–] boomlinde 1 day ago

Who is the enemy they've made here?

[–] hoppp 19 hours ago

AI, since it "taints" code according to their website.

[–] boomlinde 18 hours ago

Which for their purposes is a useful way to look at it. How again does that relate to tribalism?

[–] lucas_t_a 13 hours ago

the position on the project is both prescriptive and descriptive because the project actively prohibits AI

[–] boomlinde 11 hours ago

What is your point?

[–] tintor 1 day ago

Maintainers get their FOSS projects bombed with AI slop PRs and issues, and you call their position to not accept slop a tribalist position?

[–] gucci-on-fleek 1 day ago

I'm not the OP, but I would personally say that not wanting to work with LLM-generated output (including that submitted via PRs and issues) is reasonable, but not wanting to use LLM-generated code from well-regarded established projects (not vibe-coded slop) is veering closer to tribalism.

Because to me, it's entirely fair to care about the process when you're the one working with it, but if you've never looked at the code and it works well, it seems odd to care how 10% of it was produced.

I still wouldn't quite use the loaded "tribalism" term here myself though, because there are still a few valid reasons to be skeptical of LLM-generated code, but for many people, their hard anti-LLM stance appears to be more of a shibboleth than a principled stance from my perspective.

[–] ragall 1 day ago

> it seems odd to care how 10% of it was produced

To me, it seems odd not to care.

[–] gucci-on-fleek 1 day ago

> To me, it seems odd not to care.

If you don't mind me asking, why do you think that? I'm not trying to start a debate, and I'm sympathetic to many of the reasons why some people are against LLMs (the environment, copyright issues, loss of jobs, not liking chatbots, not trusting the current companies, etc.), but I'm curious why you are against them.

(I don't really understand one being so against LLMs that one tries to avoid software that contains even small amounts of LLM-written code, but I know that a lot of well-informed people feel this way, and it seems far more likely that I'm the one missing something rather than everyone else being wrong.)

[–] ragall 1 day ago

For the same reason why I try to avoid work done by slaves, for example Chinese solar panels manufactured in Xinjiang concentration camps. They're repugnant at origin.

[–] petesergeant 1 day ago

> Maintainers get their FOSS projects bombed with AI slop PRs and issues, and you call their position to not accept slop a tribalist

Sure, and that's the motte.

This is a direct quote from the linked website:

> Any software whose code, documentation, binaries, or other assets include, in any part, the output of a generative AI tool such as an LLM, is considered “tainted” for our purposes.

... and that's the bailey.