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points by zarzavat 1 day ago | 0 comments

Perhaps someone should tell the Gemini team about these models. When I open gemini.google.com I see 3.6 Flash and 3.1 Pro.

[–] _puk 1 day ago

It's all moot soon:

Updates to your Google AI Plus plan

We wanted to let you know about changes to the models that you can access with your Google AI Plus plan.

Starting on 1 3 N o v e m b e r 2 0 2 6 , the ability to select Pro models in both the Gemini app and AI Mode in Google Search will only be available to Google AI Pro subscribers and above. You'll still have access to our latest Flash-Lite model and Flash, built for speed and intelligence. Your previous chats using the Pro model can be continued with a different model.

To learn more about these changes, you can visit our Help Centre article for additional details. You can manage or cancel your subscription at any time.

Thank you for being a Google AI Plus subscriber.

[–] ImaCake 1 day ago

For search I am perfectly happy with 3.6 Flash, its fast and servicable, and maybe being too smart is almost a problem for search and research. Mostly the edge google has here is that websites blocked for claude or chatGPT (if it respects the block) are unblocked for gemini.

[–] dada216 1 day ago

I have a pro subscription and got Argon about two weeks after the announcement, I'm on the annual plan, got the 30% discount by switching it from monthly. Usage on antigravity is not included, usage via chat is absymally low. It's a good model though.

[–] jeremyjjj 1 day ago

It should be available on Pro in Antigravity now.

It has a seperate weekly limit that is very low. Maybe it can be pulled off that usage tier and just regular usage since Carbon is being released?

[–] singingtoday 1 day ago

Still not seeing it. Do I need to update or clear a cache or config maybe? I'll try installing fresh in a VM later, see if that works.

[–] singingtoday 1 day ago

I have a pro subscription and still don't have Argon. I can only access it via API.. I guess I can set antigravity up with that.

But it just all seems so tedious when codex and Claude are so painless.

[–] Havoc 1 day ago

Now if only I could sign up for a pro plan…

Unfortunately their plan structure is on par with their model naming.

The plans that allow for own domain and the plans that allow for sane AI use are mutually exclusive

[–] RajuChacha108 1 day ago

My mother travels across two countries often. As a result she can not but Youtube Premium or any AI Pro plans because Google can't detect her country. The pricing in both countries is same. She wont even mind paying the highest plan.

[–] david-gpu 1 day ago

I have a yearly plus subscription and I am still seeing 3.6. I am not renewing it once it expires. Why not give subscribers a small usage quota of their latest flash models?

[–] zarzavat 1 day ago

The borg cube does not understand customer satisfaction.

[–] singingtoday 1 day ago

Resistance is futile; customer experience is absent.

[–] david-gpu 1 day ago

Clearly! I was a happy customer, but that decision made me go through the effort of setting up a pay-as-you-go inference service with open-weight models, which I didn't want to bother learning how to do. But now I am perfectly happy with them and lost any interest in Gemini.

I bet I am not alone, either.

[–] doodlesdev 1 day ago

Only available to Google AI Pro subscribers. Google AI Plus hasn't got Gemini 3.8 Flash nor Gemini 4 Argon.

[–] cubefox 1 day ago

What's then the use of the Plus subscription?

[–] wasabi991011 1 day ago

Same as the ChatGPT Go: higher usage limits, more image and pdf uploads, more tools

[–] zarzavat 1 day ago

ChatGPT Go gives you access to Sol which is much better than the ancient 3.1 Pro.

[–] wasabi991011 1 day ago

I agree, I don't think Plus is a good value proposition

[–] Computer0 1 day ago

But also no storage

[–] cubefox 1 day ago

Oh okay. Though OpenAI's model (GPT-6 Luna) seems a lot better than Google's (Gemini 3.5 Flash-Lite), so I don't see why anyone would pay for Gemini AI Plus.

[–] hangrybear666 1 day ago

Same. So after their now third announcement of a new model while locking their own customers out of it, I've just unsubscribed

[–] Matl 1 day ago

They recently made it so you're stuck on 3.6 Flash if you don't pay them enough.

[–] wasabi991011 1 day ago

Note this is also true of OpenAI and Anthropic too (except Anthropic doesn't have a tier between free and all-models-available)

[–] wasabi991011 1 day ago

Disingenuous to not mention what plan you are on.

If you are talking about free versions, OpenAI and Anthropic also have a difference between free models and models available to 25$-tier plans.

[–] fastball 1 day ago

My workspace account is "Expanded AI Access" and can't access any Gemini 4 models. Disingenuous to ignore the fact that you can't even sign up for Plus/Pro/Ultra on a non-personal account when talking about "what plan you are on".

[–] wasabi991011 1 day ago

I didn't ignore anything. I chastised for the missing information and gave a potential reason (which could totally be wrong for who I was replying to, which I acknowledge by saying if).

Thanks for sharing your experience though, it's a more substantive piece of information than who I was replying to.

[–] zarzavat 1 day ago

No, not free. I'm on a paid plan.

[–] wasabi991011 1 day ago

Still not saying which paid plan. I don't really understand why you think that doesn't matter. Google is not the only company to have different model availability for different plan tiers.

[–] zarzavat 1 day ago

The issue is that they have fully abandoned the Plus plan while continuing to take people's money.

Back in March, the Plus plan was marketed as the way to access Gemini 3.1 Pro, their top model. The free plan gave you a tiny quota of their Pro model, and the Plus plan gave you a generous quota, enough for chatting.

It was expected that 3.1 Pro would be upgraded to 3.5 Pro whenever that came out, but that model never materialized.

When Google finally had a new Pro model, not only did they not apologise for the delay, but they didn't upgrade the Plus plan, which is to this day stuck on this ancient model.

Fine, you might say. hey made the Pro model only for the Pro plan. What's the big deal?

But why, why, did they stop upgrading the Flash model as well?

So we've gone from "The Plus plan lets you access our top model with generous limits" to "The Plus plan only supports a months old second-tier model".

I'm sure that Google never explicitly promised that the Plus plan would receive upgraded models, but nevertheless it feels like being scammed.