points by tristanj 1 day ago | 0 comments
Holy price increase, in 2025 the equivalent M3 Ultra (32-core CPU / 80-core GPU with 512GB of RAM) cost $9,499.
Now the equivalent M5 Ultra (36-core CPU / 80-core GPU with 512GB of RAM) is priced at $22,299.
[–] stephenhuey 1 day ago
Makes me feel like we're back in the era of SGI workstations in the late 20th century! I got to play with a few of those in college.
[–] lakeviewterrace 1 day ago
Yes but they were heavy.
They were built like a brick shithouse and felt expensive. You always knew they belonged to someone else.
In other words you couldn't mistake them for an $800 Mac Mini.
Now try imagining a SGI workstation with 512GB of SOLDERED DOWN RAM. You can't because no one would have bought them.
[–] bigwheels 1 day ago
To be fair, these are significantly larger than a Mac Mini. More like one of the old Macintosh Quadras or Performas.
But your main point still stands.
[–] lakeviewterrace 1 day ago
Quadras and Performas were in full mini-tower or desktop configurations.
This thing looks like the ashtray you'd find next to it.
Anyway I'd get the same feeling every time I opened a Sun server. The metal work alone felt like fine industrial craftsmanship.
[–] rsheikh_2029 1 day ago
Yea, but they got their distribution backed for sales.
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[–] swatcoder 1 day ago
It would absolutely represent either a mis-estimation of demand or compromise to some supply/manufacturing bottleneck that they couldn't overcome without sending their release calendar into chaos.
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[–] swatcoder 1 day ago
Those are hard-to-beat features for typical Apple users, for sure, but this is aiming for a different niche and the potential buyers in that niche may not be as concerned with form factor or power draw (for instance), and some may even see the OS as a negative factor. Those are just factors that happen to come along for the ride since it happens to be an Apple product.
[–] lakeviewterrace 1 day ago
Did you know the McRib is back?
But only for a limited time so you better act fast!
[–] NewsaHackO 1 day ago
That doesn't really matter though for a physical product, unless you are implying they are 1) selling it at a loss or 2) not attempting to maximize profits from the product. If they sell out, it means they hit the target profit from the sale of the product.
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[–] jmyeet 1 day ago
When the M3 Ultra 256GB+ models got discontinued the secondary market prices went through the roof. That's not manufactured demand.
All the M5 Ultra Mac Studios have had 3-4+ month delivery estimates within a short time of launch until now. I occasionally check and noticed that the 96GB model has moved up from February to December where I live (pickup or shipping). There's clearly a demand for these things and it's widely believed it's largely AI.
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[–] labcomputer 1 day ago
- Larger MoE models only need compute proportional to the number of active parameter, so Qwen3.8-Flash-Next (180b with 6b active) runs more tok/sec than Qwen3.8-27b on the same hardware.
- Larger models typically have higher quality output and require fewer thinking tokens to get to an answer.
Consequently, measuring time to complete a task with a wall clock, the speed difference is less than you would expect.
[–] jwilcoxson 1 day ago
[–] labcomputer 1 day ago
MoE models want a different ratio of memory/compute/$ than dense models like a Gemma4 31B or Qwen3.8 27B.
Since only some of the experts are active each round, you don’t need as much compute to get good tok/sec, but you do need a lot of memory to avoid streaming weights from SSD or system RAM.
You could run a full Muse Spark on one of these for $24k at probably around 50 tok/sec.
You’d need 5x RTX 6000 Pros at $80k for Muse Spark (albeit at much higher tok/sec).
On a $24k budget, you’re looking at a maximum of 96GB from Nvidia or 384GB from Intel or AMD. So you’re bottlenecked by PCIe bandwidth, and all those TFLOPS go to waste.
Other configurations of the Studio have similar logic for other MoE models. For instance, Qwen3.8 flash-next runs at a very acceptable 75 tok/sec on a 128GB M5 Max for about 1/3rd the price of an RTX 6000 or 40% less than 4x B70’s.
[–] jnaina 1 day ago
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