I also can't understand how people like eca and agent-shell so much unless they've never actually used any decent harness. Neither seems to really fit with emacs. Acp is the exact opposite of extensible, and eca isn't really extensible either.
[–] iLemming 1 day ago
Did anyone ever tell you how badly you suck at prophecies? This unfalsifiable prediction has enormously bad track record: people have called Emacs dead since the 90s, through XEmacs, through every IDE wave since, through Atom, Sublime, nvim, VSCode, Zed, etc.
I'm sure "Anti-AI core community" drinking themselves to oblivion and chugging anti-depressants seeing how many packages for AI integration people keep building¹ and they just can't do anything about it. Bruh, there's literally ongoing threads about built-in LLM support in emacs.devel, the latest one is not even a week old.
Magit being slow is almost entirely git subprocess spawn and output-parsing overhead, which exists in any git porcelain, not something specific to Emacs or elisp². Blaming Emacs for that is blaming the UI for the engine. I use Magit on Mac and it is not slow. It is slower than on Linux, but it ain't unusably slow.
Define "decent harness". First of all you're conflating the layers - ACP is a wire protocol; asking a protocol to be extensible is illiteracy - protocols are meant to be minimal and stable, that's literally their job. eca and agent-shell are ordinary elisp, with hooks, advising, keymaps, same mechanisms every other package uses. If that layer is hookable and advisable, it's extensible in every effing sense; extensibility was never supposed to live in the protocol underneath. Darn, I'm extending eca from inside fucking eca buffer, da fuk you even blabbering about? Whatever, skill issue. Next.
¹ https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/1uwm3c0/the_state_of...
[–] moishe_syzslak 1 day ago
[–] iLemming 1 day ago
This is absolutely uncalled for. Álvaro is a long-time Emacs advocate and maker of packages, long before LLMs. I guess that's why some Emacs adepts, despite their long-time commitment and contributions, refuse to be called "programmers", notably Prot (Denote), Karthik (Gptel) and Jonas (Magit). They all keep saying they are not, maybe just to avoid this kind of ungracious stigma from random people.
Some FOSS developers are one of the rarest kind of people we need to cherish and respect. They who sustain unpaid, often thankless maintenance work on important infrastructure for years, sometimes it becomes their life purpose, with zero direct financial reward, while fielding entitled bug reports. They don't anticipate any recognition, but at least let's not call their work substandard, it's not like you're getting taxed for using it.
[–] xenodium 1 day ago
(completing-read "How should I take this?" '("ouch" "lol" " ̄\\_(ツ)_/ ̄"))
[–] a_e_k 22 hours ago