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points by minraws 1 day ago | 0 comments

Also limits are horrendous on all plans I might as well instead use Fable that would cost me less

I only use Pro for Google as their models were so far behind, but I tried to give Argon a go, and notably it is only available in the chat interface. One brief conversation, with three exchanges, and my quota was exhausted and it restricted me to Flash-lite for the rest of the day. Rather comical stuff.

And it prompts me to upgrade to Ultra for "5x more usage". In contrast I use my Claude Max plan endlessly, on enormous problems, and my 5x max plan sees me almost never hitting double digits on my quota using Opus 5.5. It doesn't compel me to sign up for Google's higher level plans.

[–] tonymet 1 day ago

i hear this but i can't believe it. I'm writing multiple moderate apps. rebuilding entire distributions. not coming anywhere near hitting the limit. Pro plan (on a discount too). What am I doing wrong (right?)?

[–] spockz 1 day ago

Im using pro on a discount. I got argon a few days after the release but the usage limits are worthless. Asking it for a simple review of a blog post blows through 50% of the usage limit. And in the limited experimenting I have been able to do because of that it also isn’t smarter than 3.8 flash.

[–] tonymet 1 day ago

Could it be skills / customizations? There are tools that will help you understand where your tokens are getting burned.

Making sure you are scoping your context, being specific also helps.

And I do 90% of my work on 3.8 - flash - low. C, go , JS, bash , powershell generated content. Near perfect quality.

I hear lots of people say the budgets are low – I’m absolutely hammering it sometimes indiscriminately (shell into this instance, rebuild the entire vm image).

so I’m not sure what the gap is.

[–] spockz 21 hours ago

I’m using the default anti gravity setup. 3.8 medium is my daily driver. This gets me pretty far. (Definitely not as far as Luna and Sol). When I ask the same question to Argon it is 50% of my weekly usage limit gone. So either the usage limit is really a lot smaller or somehow argon thinks a whole lot more even for simple tasks.

[–] tonymet 13 hours ago

i’ll have to test that out. I’ve used argon a bit, but i guess not enough to really push the quota. The actual token based pricing is only 2x

What tasks have you needed it for? So far I’ve only switched for experimentation and while it was better, it didn’t seem necessary, especially given the latency.

[–] minraws 23 hours ago

Using Argon? Are you certain you aren't using the Flash models?

Their Argon limits are the real issue, Flash is ok, but honestly compared to Clause's limits they are all horrid, OpenAI is the next best option if you want Astra, otherwise suck it up and send money to DeepSeek or find a provider for it for cheap.

[–] WarmWash 1 day ago

Yeah, I have 85 minutes of "High" thinking time on my current hardware project and still have 25% quota left. $20 pro plan.

[–] dada216 1 day ago

How are you coding on the Pro plan without antigravity? Copy/paste?

[–] erikus 1 day ago

I'm on a Pro plan and Argon is in Antigravity for me now for some reason. It wasn't available at launch so I'm not sure when they backtracked.

[–] dada216 1 day ago

I'm on the Pro as well, haven't checked if argon became available on antigravity, will tomorrow, thanks!

I noticed the usage on chat is absymal, but it could very well be that their own harness does a good job in caching and you can squeeze good usage out of it due to this.

[–] tonymet 1 day ago

I see 4 / Argon on Antigravity