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points by cubefox 1 day ago | 0 comments

Note also if you cite LLM output on Hacker News, your post will likely get flagged and shadowbanned ("dead"), even if the citation had nothing to do with spam. Apparently Hacker News is using Pangram now to check all comments for LLM content.

[–] blauditore 1 day ago

You hit the nail on its head! Hacker News has been shadowbanning AI-generated content.

This is not just a spam filter. It's an innovative way to value the human factor—the most precious value in online communities.

Do you want me to pull a poem out of my ass?

[–] CoastalCoder 19 hours ago

> Do you want me to pull a poem out of my ass?

My first thought was "Please leave such jokes for Reddit."

But now I'm curious in which subreddit(s) this belongs.

[–] red-iron-pine 16 hours ago

given the volume of bots there -- most of them

[–] goodmythical 1 day ago

Do you want me to

Pull a poem out of my ass

For you to peruse?

[–] gertrunde 18 hours ago

Can't be AI output, there are too many sylables in the second line...

But "Pull poems out of my ass" would work ;)

[–] goodmythical 7 hours ago

Glad to hear that an AI hallucinating an 8 syllable second line in a haiku would get it pass your detection, lol.

In all seriousness, poem is a single syllable for many.

[–] gavinray 18 hours ago

Second line is 7 syllables though?

[–] Rapzid 16 hours ago

Poem is two.

[–] gavinray 15 hours ago

In American English, poem is pronounced as rhyming with "tome"

I could imagine in British English it might be a two-syllable "poh-ehm" though

[–] fc417fc802 13 hours ago

As a native speaker from the US who knows it as two syllables, what region of the US are you referring to? Is this a deep south thing?

[–] Rapzid 14 hours ago

If you're from part of the US where they don't talk right, sure ;)

It's two in Merriam-Webster. If it were a song it would fly, but for a haiku I'm throwing a flag on the word-play.

[–] goodmythical 16 hours ago

Poem is one or two. Artistic license is deployed to enforce use of the singular

[–] solyin 1 day ago

As long as it is

Not AI generated

Pangram will decide.

[–] Terr_ 1 day ago

Some may trust those tools

I feel they will fail someday

Might need social graphs

[–] Rapzid 16 hours ago

You hit the nail it's dead, Jim.

[–] Geezus_42 21 hours ago

Good!

[–] coldtea 21 hours ago

This is not just (...) It's an...

Hmmm

[–] ga_to 21 hours ago

I swear, humor is dead. Or rather peoples ability to perceive it.

[–] coldtea 19 hours ago

More of "I see what you did there" champ

[–] johnisgood 19 hours ago

Got me at "You hit the nail on its head!", it is Gemini!

[–] Xirdus 1 day ago

Can confirm, got caught by it once. We were discussing if prompt engineering is still relevant, and I copied both the prompt I used and the output I've got. I realized I was shadowbanned because I'm not logged in on every device I use for browsing HN.

[–] jacquesm 23 hours ago

I'd consider that a bug.

[–] walrus01 1 day ago

I think we can do without people pasting llm generated output into the body of an LLM comment, if people need to provide it for some example, they can do it via a one of the services like https://pastes.io and an outbound link with appropriate description.

[–] cubefox 1 day ago

Yeah but the comment is shadowbanned (hidden except for the author), so people don't realize that they have done something wrong.

[–] MatthiasPortzel 1 day ago

Then someone with Show Dead turned on will vouch for them. When I see comments from shadow banned users, I’ll open their profile and 99% of the time it’s slurs.

[–] walrus01 1 day ago

yeah, it would be good if the commenter (if they've never before tripped the no LLM generated text guardrail) could get some kind of warning like "don't do that, and here's why..."

[–] weitendorf 1 day ago

note that this also applies to ironic LLM-assisted shitposts

I think there should maybe be a little more leeway/amnesty for accounts that aren’t new or don’t have a high rate of LLM tells. IMO if you could self-declare the AI usage and wrap them in <details> tags to handle the verbosity and attribution you could integrate it reaosnably

[–] eterm 1 day ago

"Ironic" bad behaviour is still just bad behaviour.

[–] weitendorf 1 day ago

You’re absolutely right

[–] Rapzid 16 hours ago

"Bad behavior" is doing a lot of heavy lifting.

[–] jacquesm 13 hours ago

Some would call that load bearing.

[–] newsy-combi 1 day ago

Ironic speech is the main way people make jokes. Sure, ironic violence or something like that isn't a thing outside of WWE, but you shouldn't equate all "bad" behaviors.

In the past we could have said that we shouldn't expect an internet forum filter made of regex patterns to detect irony, but with LLM's as viable modding tools, I'm not sure that we shouldn't raise our standards...

[–] Geezus_42 21 hours ago

What value does an LLM shitposting on your behalf bring to any discussion?

[–] duskdozer 15 hours ago

I always assumed people were writing in LLMese themselves to mock it, not generating it.

[–] newsy-combi 20 hours ago

To equate irony with whatever is being satirized is blatant BS. If you think coming up with a single example proves a rule, you got it backwards.

[–] Geezus_42 20 hours ago

Doesn't seem like you are responding to my question.

[–] newsy-combi 19 hours ago

It's irrelevant and I even explained why, just in case you'd be extra slow - yet here you are... Do you hate all LLMs? Do you hate technology? Do you fear change? Answer me. I'm like building a really strong case here!!

[–] Exoristos 1 day ago

Remember that you can vouch for a flagged post.

[–] dooglius 1 day ago

It won't un-shadowban an account

[–] cubefox 1 day ago

I always do this when it is flagged incorrectly, but it doesn't usually help much because multiple people have to vouch.

[–] cubefox 1 day ago

Why is this downvoted???