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points by npunt 1 day ago | 0 comments
Ok I see where you're going. I think we'd both agree that the PC market is mature and unlikely to grow further, their services revenues aren't looking sustainable long term, and that AI demand is high. Good food for thought!

Some facts to consider tho since I think you're underestimating the apple silicon change:

MacOS market share went from 7.5% (2020) -> 9% (2025)

Mac gross margins are harder to estimate but suggest a change from 24% (2016) [1] -> 41% (2025) [2] if you divide profits from revenues. These exclude services.

PC market profit share is >60%, as in Apple get most of the money made in the PC market.

So the idea that apple silicon didn't really move the needle isn't supported. Apple also cares about profit share far far more than market share. Market share can be a liability because of antitrust and supporting less desirable users and use cases. A few decades ago they chose not to get into the Netbook fad when everyone else was because of this philosophy, so its not new.

Apple is certainly ramping up their server hardware as it seems to be angling to run models on their own silicon, and Xcode cloud is a natural extension of that activity. I'm not sure that suggests selling servers or server capacity though. The end result is the same biz model: the people using this server capacity are still primarily individual customers.

The main question about the AI buildout right now is a ton of money is being invested and the returns on that capital are highly speculative. Everyone is investing, sure, but there's a lot of economic headwinds and its unclear where the value will ultimately accrue. If Apple jumps into something, they tend to do it with a decade-long perspective. What you're arguing for is that Apple should have jumped in early, which regardless of B2B v B2C, is not Apple's style.

If apple were to get into that and leverage their silicon advantage, they'd need to significantly increase their supply of silicon. They're already pretty much at capacity serving B2C, and they typically do big capital investments with places like TSMC to build out the capacity they need for nextgen process. Same with ram, probably even more of a limited resource right now. If they were to jump into enterprise in a big way, it wouldn't just be 'make more chips' it would be drastically increasing their capex to expand capacity, and that takes years of lead time to do. The AI buildout is very new, its really all just in the last 2-3 years. I just don't think they could have delivered on this idea right now, based on what they knew in ~2024 and the capacity they have available. If anything their strategy, whether intentional or not, is looking rather prudent. But another month or two passes and maybe that will change too. Things are changing very fast right now.

[1]: https://asymco.com/2016/11/02/wherefore-art-thou-macintosh/

[2]: https://asymco.com/2026/03/18/the-biggest-surprise-of-the-ma...

[–] bigyabai 1 day ago
It just doesn't feel very "skate to where the puck is headed" to me. Apple is holding on for dear life to a business model that has very little momentum. Apple was ready for the AI buildout, which is what upsets me. The rackmount Mac Pro is the perfect product for Apple to sell datacenter customers, all they need to support are CUDA drivers (which are already ARM/BSD-ready) and some sort of PCIe interconnect. There was no "pivot" that was required, outside of their software policy. Maybe AI was a bubble, but missing out on that capital is a bigger problem than suffering from success a-la Nvidia. When AI hype dies down, there's going to be new markets that Apple has to be ready to capitalize on. AI and GPGPU compute have been good exercises for testing Apple's flexibility, but a lot of those advances are flushed down the toilet on hardware like the Mac Studio, which forces customers into non-scalable Thunderbolt RDMA clusters.

I'd argue the supply chain is a non-issue, too. Apple's chips are a high/low mix, and most of them go to TSMC when they really shouldn't. Apple's A-series SOCs could be manufactured by Intel or Samsung without setting them back too far on fab nodes. Mac chips could remain TSMC products, and Apple could pivot their high-memory SKUs to the Mac Pro form factor instead of forcing it into a non-scalable Studio chassis. That would give them a product that the industry could start to buy again, and they could even offer it as a consumer product if they wanted to thumb up their nose at Nvidia. The current Studio is a sad flagship to sell, reminiscent of the Trash Can form factor with even fewer hardware features.

It's Ternus' choice, and he seems to be open to new ideas. Apple isn't immune to bad decisionmaking though, and I bet that future generations will be confused why the ARM datacenter was dominated by non-entities like Ampere and Nvidia selling low-performance licensed cores.

[–] npunt 1 day ago
My medium-long term view on Apple is their entire future business model relies on them making the best personal robots. Robots are the single best physical embodiment of the value of technology to everyday people, and there's always decades of refinements possible whenever a new hardware platform of that versatility arrives.

Sure in the medium-long run they'll still make computer-like experiences that let people learn, create, and work, and those will be enabled by increasing investment in AI infra, but at their heart Apple is a hardware company and must rely on that incredible strength to be the physical embodiment of technology. Robots will be part of the mix of hardware that will do those things, as well as act as an omni-appliance that does all of the other home things (dishwashing, cooking, washing clothes, cleaning, massages, diy crafts, play, walking the dog, etc) as well as entire categories of need like social work, light industrial work, etc. Those are all new markets that Apple could have an incredibly significant role in.

This is why I'm not super bummed that Apple isn't a meaningful AI datacenter hardware player. I think that's just the enabling technology for the markets that Apple really would be the single best company in the world to handle, specifically all of those addressed by the personal robot.

I think Apple will naturally find its way to the personal robot in the next decade. The issue I think they'll struggle more with a cultural one. I think the biggest shift that needs to take place at Apple is an increasing focus on whole-life use cases enabled by AI, rather than hiding behind the idea that third parties are the ones to deliver those use cases. Apps are done, they present walls between use cases where none should exist. And because apps are run by companies that want things that may come at the expense of users, apps also add a great deal of cognitive overhead in terms of dealing with third party brands and motivations, and all the subtle things that the buttons on screen actually mean to the user beyond their immediate function (can i trust pressing this? what does the system behind this button do and does that align with what I want?). Life is a holistic and integrated experience, but the way computers present life, in terms of the many domains various apps occupy, is siloed and untrustworthy. This is the business tension and power struggle I see arising most in the next decades in the consumer software industry.

I agree the Nvidia developer play was something they could have done, and it definitely would have increased shareholder value if they'd had any passion for that kind of work. I don't think it would have cost them too much in terms of who they are either, at least at first. My sense is the personal & small cluster market is an inconsequential market, even though their entrance would have undoubtedly enlarged it. Local models are just a very niche thing, and that has to do with the state of technology not any particular hardware availability. The majority of the effort would have had to been at the datacenter side to capture any significant value, and that's where it would have been a pretty big change in company culture.

Anyway its fun to speculate which paths get them where. I'm swayed by the implicit part your argument which is that the Nvidia play was knowable in advance had they just been engaged with the (mac) pro market more, which is where they would have gotten the signal earlier on AI's growing opportunity.

[–] bigyabai 12 hours ago
Robotics has it's own supply chain issues. Apple's forced divestment away from China creates a supply gap that will be difficult or impossible to bridge with US suppliers. It could easily develop into another "Tesla vs. BYD" situation that depends on federal protectionism to work (and outright fails as a business outside of the US). When you look at it from that perspective, home robotics is just another Vision Pro product on the roadmap. It will have hardware limits, the price tag will be astronomically unaffordable, and competing systems will probably undercut Apple in seriously threatening ways. By the time that Apple can iterate robotics into something that customers want, the market will have festered into something beyond their control.

At risk of sounding like a glazer, Nvidia has a super clean path to home robotics no matter who wins the consumer segment. They have experience selling their hardware to system integrators like Nintendo and Tesla, and have shipped low-power GPGPU platforms on an SOC since the mid-2010s. The value add of CUDA is enormous, versus the struggle Apple will have bringing developers into the CoreML ecosystem. Nvidia has the momentum with Tegra and Jetson, the hardware and software lead will take years to catch up with.

I guess in a fair essay, this is the point where I should commend Apple for their output. They make the fastest AArch64 CPUs on the market, have an excellent "ecosystem" sell to the billions of iPhone owners in the world, and can ship any service from advertisement to F1 and sports streaming. Individually these are very impressive accomplishments that Tim Cook deserves commendation for. Taken as a whole, I don't see any coherent strategy that ties it all together. The "iPhone ecosystem" concept can't save expensive masterpiece products like the Vision Pro, even if it's a great headset. Users despise Apple's advertisement and service upsells, and single-core CPU performance isn't constraining home robotics. All of Apple's strongest tactics are pretty benign in the light of who they'll have to oppose.

This was a good discussion, and it's fun to game-theory future products with other people. Admittedly, asking Apple to compete with Nvidia's tech stack is like asking the coughing baby to defuse a hydrogen bomb. I recognize that the full scope of my demands for competition are unrealistic, but I think there's some meat on the bone that Apple is leaving for no good reason. The Mac Pro is one of those lowest-hanging fruit that didn't have to die, or at the very least could have been redesigned to champion the advantages of Apple Silicon. The Mac Studio is not a very confident future-facing product, and I feel a bit of worry for Apple's future designs seeing it as their flagship Mac. Apple has all the resources to push out the compute frontier for consumers and datacenters alike - here's hoping they join the fray, for all of our sakes.