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points by mjevans 1 day ago | 0 comments
- Politics (in focus) others already pointed out

- When sports do their major events has shifted in the last decades or so

- There's no longer a common TV culture.

That last point started more with Cable TV, but everyone still got 'over the air' so coverage on major TV networks usually provided a foundation of shared culture and events. It also provided major news summaries that most busy adults managed to see a bit of. As if any of us with jobs have time for that these days.

There's also the war for everyone's attention on "Social Media" and the Internet generally.

[–] ipaddr 1 day ago
It doesn't explain why it is not discussed on openair channels.
[–] dylan604 1 day ago
It's enough that I knew the two teams playing in the Series, that both teams have never won, and that the progress was looking really good for the Brewers all while not being the type that follows baseball at all.
[–] ButlerianJihad 22 hours ago
I believe that the answer is licensing. If a channel or network is not licensed to carry Official MLB Footage, then they are reluctant to report on it or even admit that such a thing exists, lest they inadvertently send viewers off to change channels, and go find the licensee.

A contributing factor is the absolute iron grip on the trademarked terms, such as World Series and Super Bowl, where every media outlet is 100% forbidden under pain of waterboarding, lest they utter these two words in proximity, whether for free or to promote a party or product or gathering event.

So ultimately, you wind up with a media environment where nobody but the licensee is willing to admit that these enormous sporting events exist. Of course, the licensees themselves are sending a firehose of coverage by every available medium, and those who are in-the-know, and wealthy enough to subscribe, are hanging on the every word of ESPN, ESPN2, and ESPN9 with the play-by-play.

You can be sure that my father was watching every pitch and every out from his armchair, until his beloved Padres got left behind, yet again. San Diego Padres are another franchise that has never won a World Series. They are joined in the record books by the Rockies, the Mariners, and of course, the Tampa Bay Rays.

[–] S_Bear 14 hours ago
It used to be easy to watch a game; when I was teenager in the 90s, the Indians would air on our local UHF station (channel 43!) and after I'd get home from work around 8 pm, I could usually catch the end of the game with my father before bed. Now it's divided between a variety of cable channels and streaming options.

Many of the elderly people I work with are big Minnesota Timberwolves fans, and they have 0 interest in signing up for DAZN to stream and have cut their cable for cost reasons, so there's no easy way to watch. A few guys I know are Twins fans and listen to the radio for the same reason. Leagues make it hard now.

[–] jmyeet 1 day ago
I don't know why people in these comments are dragging politics into it. That strikes me as a terminally online take and I say that as an self-confessed politics frog.

If anything, the following of current events overall is way down to what it was decades ago by the general populace. People overall are incredibly ill-informed about so many things despite the wealth of information available.

Three things happened to baseball (IMHO):

1. The childhood funnel is drying up and has been for a long time. Kids now increasingly play soccer instead;

2. Take out the nostalgia and you're not left with much. There are too many games, they're too long and not enough happens. Football is bigger than ever; and

3. Structurally I think baseball made some huge mistakes, such as the soft salary cap system that created dynasties like the New York Yankees who could get rich on broadcast rights for a huge media market. The NFL has managed all of this so much better.

I'm not a huge sports fan but I find the systems fascinating. American sports evolved into a 3 pillar system. Basketball season into baseball season into football season through the calendar year. I wonder if baseball's timing over summer has contributed to this decline.

[–] davidd_1004 1 day ago
I don't really understand the "too long" complaint when NFL is the most popular sport. A baseball game is something like 30-45 minutes shorter than an NFL game. And NFL and MLB both have about 10-20 minutes of actual live play each so I don't think "nothing happens" is a particularly good explanation either.

I think the biggest reason is that it's much more difficult to follow as a casual fan due to the number of games. It was fine when baseball was more or less the only popular sport, but now it's competing with too many other things.

I hope it's true that the parity gap due to not having a salary cap is hurting the sport's popularity, but I'm not sure that's true either. The majority of fans root for only a handful of teams who benefit from not having one.

[–] justinrstout 1 day ago
On point 2: in my experience, the tradeoff is that baseball is the most accessible in-person major league sport. The quantity, length, and seasonal timing of games means that tickets are almost always affordable and can fit into my schedule. I go to more and more MLB games every year, whereas a ticket to my NFL team is a serious expenditure, and that's assuming that my schedule works out to where I can attend one of 8 home games for the entire year.
[–] jmyeet 1 day ago
Isn't that making my point? If tickets are cheap and easy to get, doesn't that indicate lack of demand? I'm minded of the (highly entertaining) Scottish "invasion" of Boston during the World Cup recently and they did a march and just went to a game at Fenway Park. That's not something you can just do with other major sports.

I also think about how sports are portrayed or used as dressing in media. Seinfeld, for example, was from an era where people often went to baseball games and knew all the player stats. People in previous generations would take their scorecards to games [1]. None of that really exists anymore.

[1]: https://www.wuwm.com/2023-04-10/this-baseball-season-try-an-...

[–] justinrstout 10 hours ago
> That's not something you can just do with other major sports.

This is specifically the appeal of in-person MLB games; it's no problem to get a group together: school, church, friends, family, or what have you, and roll up to a game on relatively short notice and have a low-stress experience. In this way it's in the same category as a museum or theme-park sort of outing.

Is it economically optimal? Maybe not, but I also don't think the product is trying to attract the same audience that's willing to engage in a high-coordination and high-intensity event like an NFL game. I know both folks who love the spectacle and effort of the NFL experience and folks who like catching a baseball game with their group when they have a free afternoon, and they don't really overlap.

[–] raldi 1 day ago
The NFL and MLB seem to have similar numbers of recent dynasties and of different teams that have won a championship.
[–] autoexec 1 day ago
> I don't know why people in these comments are dragging politics into it.

It dominates news coverage even when we're not coming up on an election, and the high stakes involved makes it an even bigger topic, and one that weighs heavily on people's minds.

> People overall are incredibly ill-informed about so many things despite the wealth of information available.

The wealth of information available (and disinformation avilable) is partly to blame. It's easy to spend your time only on a small number of interests. Most people just let the algorithms of a small number of corporations feed them the vast majority of what they consume, so while technically there's a lot more information out there, they only see what those corporations choose to show them.