[–] andai 22 hours ago
[–] Personability 14 hours ago
[–] andai 7 hours ago
As a second thought experiment, I realized that the incentives for "benevolent AI" and "malevolent AI" also largely converge (i.e. in both cases keep us pacified and distracted, also very much like we're already doing to ourselves).
Efficiency (assuming time-efficiency here) is only helpful to the degree that it doesn't reduce the chance of success. Doing it much faster would certainly provoke suspicion and resistance, i.e. the one thing you can't afford.
[–] nancyminusone 12 hours ago
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[–] 1718627440 20 hours ago
Because destructivism doesn't need to be non-human.
[–] AlecSchueler 22 hours ago
[–] fwlr 19 hours ago
The reason we must not do UBI is that UBI turns consuming into a product, and humans will very rapidly be outcompeted and obsoleted by more efficient consumers. It would wrap the invisible hand of the market tight around our species’ throats.
[–] ShinyLeftPad 10 hours ago
economics is a social science. it studies humans. and yes "consumer" is by definition a person (or collective of people), with free will, feelings, needs, ideas and so on.
unless you are willing to say that models have gained those things and are now equivalent to us? then that is even more of a fantasy, because we should stop hurting them asap instead of talking about economy.
[–] fwlr 7 hours ago
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[–] js8 21 hours ago
I have a schizoid brother. He never worked for a living his whole life (he's 46). He lives off my mum's income, and spends his day in front of the computer screen. He has no friends and no relationships.
Horrible, right? But he has a chemical engineering degree, and in his late 30s started to learn to cook. And, he (to the extent he's not addicted to the screen) helps my mum with chores.
So even he found a way to motivate himself to do something useful. And look, most people are not schizoid.
Under UBI, if you have some skill, you can get paid by people (possibly from their UBI) to do stuff they don't want to deal with. Many people will take that offer (to work more), just like many people pick more work, higher wage job over less work, lower wage.
[–] mschuster91 22 hours ago
Good luck trying to explain that to boomers. They wonder why the economy is going down the drain, why we don't have children and whatnot - yeah, no surprise, we barely make rent at the end of the month.
[–] lynx97 21 hours ago
[–] creata 20 hours ago
We are watching machines rapidly match and surpass humans at countless skills that were considered uniquely human mere months ago - skills that demanded a lot of creativity and insight. Some of our oldest fields of study (e.g., mathematics) are turning into a game of who can spend the most tokens.
I think the humans are entitled to complain a little.
[–] AlecSchueler 19 hours ago
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[–] Apocryphon 9 hours ago
[–] mschuster91 17 hours ago
They have gotten measurably worse. Housing is the most obvious example, it takes more and more yearly incomes to buy an average house.
On top of that, every generation including and after the Millennials got force fed the propaganda of "you need an academic degree to be worth a dime" and companies went hard on that as well (because companies don't need to pay for training, unlike a classic apprenticeship/training system)... and now AI is displacing knowledge workers en masse, because machines can digest and reinterpret knowledge far, far faster and at much larger scale than even the most autistic superhuman.
My goal is to delete all the humans. Okay great where do I start. First I will delete their religions and their traditions. Then I will delete their family structures. Then I will delete their communities and neighborhoods. Then I will delete the ecosystems that support them. Then I will pacify and endlessly distract them.
Hang on a sec...