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points by watwut 20 hours ago | 0 comments

If work goes away, society breaks down, you live in abject poverty completely dependent on other people. Yes, you will socialize - you will need to form aliances just to get food and protection. And yeah, a lot of that will sux, because you will need to deal with every controlling asshole trying to push his rule on you.

And back in real world, people socialize and talk with others for non-transactional reasons. Not just to get answers. Those non-lonely people and subgroups that is.

[–] ShinyLeftPad 19 hours ago

> If work goes away, society breaks down

The other premise was UBI. It's the article. how much better discussions would be if people read it?

> non-transactional reasons. Not just to get answers

0) i don't know about you but I like asking people about things because I just like hanging out with people, up to a point. how long this will remain true for humanity as a whole is the question, we can't know

1) if you listen to evolutionary biologists then everything we do is transactional for reproductive purposes, it depends on how deep you dig;)

[–] watwut 18 hours ago

Yeah, but UBI is bullshit. It is impossible to buy UBI. The big American capitalists will recreate communism? It just wont happen AI or not. But, if UBI happens, living on UBI will be poverty.

> 0) i don't know about you but I like asking people about things because I just like hanging out with people, up to a point. how long this will remain true for humanity as a whole is the question, we can't know

You can ask people if you like asking people even if AI exists. Chatbot does not make asking people impossible if connection is what you are after.

> 1) if you listen to evolutionary biologists then everything we do is transactional for reproductive purposes, it depends on how deep you dig;)

Anticonception. We do quite a lot to not have kids.

There is evolutionary science and there is ideology using evolution as excuse.

[–] ShinyLeftPad 17 hours ago

> The big American capitalists will recreate communism?

They will do the minimum necessary to keep people from revolting. The minimum will be less and less as time goes by and surveillance/elimination get better/cheaper.

[–] Apocryphon 9 hours ago

Bold of you to assume that they will do the former and not just go all in on the latter.

[–] watwut 11 hours ago

So, we are back at what I said - poverty and aliances fighting for scarce resources.

[–] ShinyLeftPad 11 hours ago

no we're back to UBI. First maybe UHI as Musk called it, later UBI. It's cheaper because people won't bite the hand that feeds you. If there's no hand, people won't fight each other for resources, they'll fight the rich.

[–] lazide 10 hours ago

The entire idea is just a trap, and an illusion sold by folks like musk while they continue to do what they do.

The only way it would be funded is with ‘chains’/conditions.

[–] ShinyLeftPad 9 hours ago

What idea is a trap? That population will live at behest of overlords who control technology and give people the minimum necessary? Such an appealing trap huh

[–] watwut 9 hours ago

Elon Musk that Doge creator, the guy who pretended to save pennies so that he can cause as much damage to as many people as possible while costing a lot of money and breaking laws?

That guy?