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points by gbacon 18 hours ago | 0 comments
We will clean up in the coming labor shortage.
[–] Kevin_Flynn 18 hours ago
I was just thinking, "with all the AI media hype, you'd think the opposite would happen."

If "AI is gonna take over the world" wouldn't you want to be able to use such a tool yourself ?

On the other hand, paying the costs of university to have an undergrad wax poetic doesn't seem as appealing as commanding ChatGPT to "git er done" so perhaps there is "drunk on newfound power" factor at play amongst college aged coders.

[–] DonaldPShimoda 18 hours ago
> If "AI is gonna take over the world" wouldn't you want to be able to use such a tool yourself ?

AI is being marketed as a tool that does not require expertise to wield, so it's unclear to me why you'd think the hype would get more people to go to college.

Anyway, the problem is likely more to do with job prospects. Most CS undergrads I talk to these days are perpetually concerned with the job market; things have not been good for a while now. And this on top of the over-enrollment problem: many schools have been accepting far more undergrads in CS than they could handle for the better part of a decade now, resulting in ultimately poorer outcomes for everyone involved except the upper administration.

Barring significant improvements to either of those issues, reducing enrollment is necessary. But society is not exactly going out of its way to help high schoolers find many viable alternatives, which is really where our efforts ought to focus, in my opinion.

[–] Kevin_Flynn 18 hours ago
> AI is being marketed as a tool that does not require expertise to wield, so it's unclear to me why you'd think the hype would get more people to go to college.

Because 'marketing' is a communication method intended to maximize sales, not distribute truth.

As to the rest of it, if you want to feed yourself, you're going to need a computer. If you want a job, where someone else feeds you, they are going to need a computer.

Computers are at the core of being able to feed oneself, AI apocolypse or not.

Even the simple act of maintaining a small backyard vegetable garden, to literally feed ones family, benefits from an embedded microcontroller and pumps that release nutrients at the optimal time, in optimal amounts.

The $20 computer is a 10x win after considering material, time, and attention costs.

Which brings up an interesting question ... what percentage of universities use computers to perform marketing in order to increase enrollment ( aka sales ) in order to feed themselves ?

[–] DonaldPShimoda 17 hours ago
I don't think anything you've said is necessarily wrong, but "using a computer" does not really fall under the purview of a degree in computer science. People don't go to university for CS degrees so they can better understand the fancy veggie-watering timer they bought off Amazon, after all.
[–] Kevin_Flynn 16 hours ago
Certainly, and people don't need to know how a car works to drive one.

Whos car do you want to ride in ?

[–] DonaldPShimoda 15 hours ago
I steadfastly refuse to believe that you administer a thorough examination of a person's knowledge of the mechanical workings of an internal combustion engine, or the chemical properties of a catalytic convertor, or the physical properties by which tire tread increases traction prior to letting them drive you down the block to the supermarket.

Your argument grows more ludicrous with each byte you submit.

To your point anyway, knowing these things does not make someone a better driver, nor does not knowing these things make someone a worse driver. They're separate skills, just as understanding how to program has little bearing on a person's ability to operate a computer.

[–] Kevin_Flynn 13 hours ago
Agreed. I do not administer such an exam.

Instead, I find myself saying things like:

1. "You know your engine light is on, right ?" ... "Yeah, its been doing that."

2. "Whats that noise coming from the front wheel hub ?" ... "I dunno."

3. etc.

You get the idea. One groups vehicles are absolutely better maintained, and quantitatively safer to ride in or drive, and its within my perception, so the 3rd degree interogation is pointless.