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points by gavinray 13 hours ago | 0 comments

Sure, it's a dick move. But it's important to distinguish "shouldn't" from "legally can't".

Should you be racist? No. Should you call someone fat and ugly? No.

But personal liberty and freedom require we allow people to make choices and have opinions we don't personally agree with.

[–] Sparkle-san 12 hours ago

Personal liberty and freedom also require people to be free from economic coercion so that we can exercise those rights. Corporations have an asymmetric amount of power and we should stop anthropomorphizing them.

[–] latexr 12 hours ago

I recommend Karl Popper’s “Paradox of Tolerance”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

https://www.thealmightyguru.com/Wiki/images/2/2e/Paradox_of_...

[–] gavinray 12 hours ago

I think we're on the same page:

  > "a just society should generally tolerate the intolerant, reserving self-preserving actions for only when intolerance poses a concrete threat to liberty and stability."

Freedom of speech and self-expression applies to just that: words

If intolerance or hate poses a physical threat, or in any way infringes on the liberty and personal autonomy of others, a line has been crossed and must be swiftly dealt with.

[–] latexr 9 hours ago

I’m guessing you may not be from a minority and/or you live in a safe area? It’s a common occurrence for bigots to lob “words” at those people, in a way that they rightfully do not feel safe. On occasion, it escalates. What this means is that those people, for their own safety, have to act differently than they normally would. For example, gay/lesbian couples often have to pretend to be straight and can’t have a normal night out and display affection without being in danger.

In addition to the possibility of peril, there is also the psychological harm these interactions cause, and the living in fear.

It is only those who are safe who believe words from the intolerant are harmless. The intolerant count on that lack of knowledge to get away with “just asking questions”.

I hope you and your loved ones never have to go through any such interactions, they are harrowing, but I also urge you to have deep discussions with the recipients of them to understand a bit better why we should protect them instead of dismissing their concerns.

[–] gavinray 8 hours ago

I spent years in prison and homeless, lol

Being denied housing or employment was not just a regular occurrence but the norm for me for a large portion of my life