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points by ShinyLeftPad 12 hours ago | 0 comments

Yep and it's the same for Meta's "open" models which you omitted from the list.

Is there actually a competitive proper actually open model?

[–] maxloh 12 hours ago

I believe Meta's models were never truly frontier in the way Qwen, Kimi, etc., compare to Claude or ChatGPT.

Correct me if I am wrong.

[–] badsectoracula 9 hours ago

Not sure if it is competitive but DeepSeek's models are under the mit license, including their most recent one.

[–] ShinyLeftPad 9 hours ago

Are they? https://github.com/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V3/blob/main/LICENSE...

[–] badsectoracula 8 hours ago

This is ancient (2 years ago), all their recent stuff (e.g. [0][1]) are MIT licensed. The only exception i've found from a quick browse of their stuff is [2], which is Apache 2 licensed. Even the update to V3 (which you linked at), V3.2, was MIT licensed.

[0] https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V4.1-Flash-1017

[1] https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V4-Pro-0813

[2] https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-Math-V2

[–] ShinyLeftPad 8 hours ago

Interesting, I heard PRC doesn't allow this anymore but apparently the law is only partially in effect so maybe they get away with it (https://sanctionsnews.bakermckenzie.com/china-proposes-expan...)

[–] mkl 8 hours ago

Unfortunately all the license links there give 404 errors, but if you look in the file tree the licenses are there as described.

[–] singpolyma3 6 hours ago

DeepSeek 4.1 flash

[–] crimsoneer 12 hours ago

Inkling, Nemotron Super, Beam Reflection (and of course Kimi, Qwen, etc)

[–] ShinyLeftPad 11 hours ago

> (and of course Kimi, Qwen, etc)

Latest versions of Kimi, Qwen, GLM aren't open, you need to pay them for commercial stuff and comply with PRC laws

[–] singpolyma3 6 hours ago

Qwen smaller sizes are right?

[–] crimsoneer 11 hours ago

Oh, I'd missed this, that's a shame! But yeah, Inkling + Reflection are properly open and quite good.