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points by 0xDEAFBEAD 13 hours ago | 0 comments
Progressive thinkers like Ibram X. Kendi believe every single policy issue must be evaluated on the basis of whether it happens to impact different races differently. Essentially turning the state into a gigantic social engineering project.

https://www.compactmag.com/article/the-racial-crossroads/

[–] datsci_est_2015 13 hours ago
And the alternative for you is to just ignore that any law (or government action) has any different impact on race at all? Why are we arguing at the extremes? What alternative history must one subscribe to in order to believe that ignoring disparate impact won’t end in humans rights abuses? Have you even heard about something like how nuclear testing and proliferation disproportionately impacted the Navajo nation especially because they had absolutely no recourse against it? Are we just supposed to say “tough luck”? “Might makes right?” “Should’ve gotten a better lawyer?”
[–] throwitaway222 1 hour ago
I think we can start with just ignoring skin color and just be people, just be Americans.
[–] 0xDEAFBEAD 13 hours ago
>And the alternative for you is to just ignore that any law (or government action) has any different impact on race at all?

I mean, every law will inevitably impact different groups at least a little differently. I'm not a fan of obsessing about race every time a law is written, no.

>What alternative history must one subscribe to in order to believe that ignoring disparate impact won’t end in humans rights abuses?

This seems like sloppy reasoning. If a person's rights are being violated, they ought to be able to make that argument in court without reference to disparate impact.

What we've seen in the US is the 90s "judge people as individuals" paradigm has been replaced by a "racial collectivism" paradigm. In recent years, this new paradigm was initially mainstream on the left, then became mainstream on the right:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev373c7wSRg

The "racial collectivism" paradigm is corrosive to individual rights, no matter who wields it. Furthermore, collectivist activity on the part of one ethnic group ends up being countered by collectivist activity on the part of other ethnic groups, in a doom spiral. The result is descent into hateful sectarianism. Scroll through X on any Tuesday to see what I mean.

>nuclear testing and proliferation disproportionately impacted the Navajo nation especially because they had absolutely no recourse against it? Are we just supposed to say “tough luck”? “Might makes right?” “Should’ve gotten a better lawyer?”

Consider a hypothetical where the town near the nuclear test has a population which is a perfect microcosm of the US in terms of race, gender, age, class, etc. No "disparate impact" argument can be possibly made in this hypothetical, since all of the racial "collectives" are equally harmed.

Does this change the fact that the nuclear tests are harming people? Or the best approaches to the problem?

Racial collectivism just isn't a good approach. People are more responsive to the needs of others when they view them as fellow humans or fellow citizens, not representatives of alien collectives.

[–] throwup238 10 hours ago
> This seems like sloppy reasoning. If a person's rights are being violated, they ought to be able to make that argument in court without reference to disparate impact.

Where does that leave the equal protection clause?

[–] InsideOutSanta 9 hours ago
> every law will inevitably impact different groups at least a little differently

What if a large portion of laws systematically impacts one group negatively?

[–] 0xDEAFBEAD 8 hours ago
Sometimes it happens. Taxation can systematically impact rich people negatively, for instance.
[–] InsideOutSanta 8 hours ago
Right. So we shouldn't take the effects of taxation into account when making tax laws?
[–] 0xDEAFBEAD 7 hours ago
Yes, but just because a law disproportionately hurts a particular group is not necessarily a problem.
[–] InsideOutSanta 7 hours ago
Correct, not necessarily. But if it is, that should be considered.
[–] esseph 12 hours ago
> >And the alternative for you is to just ignore that any law (or government action) has any different impact on race at all?

> I mean, every law will inevitably impact different groups at least a little differently. I'm not a fan of obsessing about race every time a law is written, no.

If it affected you directly, you might care.

Because it doesn't, you are in the position to pick and choose what you give your interest and energy to.

[–] 0xDEAFBEAD 12 hours ago
In a democracy, voters are free to petition their elected officials regarding policies which affect them. I think that should usually be enough.
[–] Arainach 8 hours ago
It's not, as those policies allow those in power and currently benefiting from the status quo to abuse minorities. It's why rights and equal protections have to be codified.
[–] InsideOutSanta 12 hours ago
> turning the state into a gigantic social engineering project

What do you think the state is but a gigantic social engineering project?