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points by MattCruikshank 14 hours ago | 0 comments

Great, now they won't mind so much when we break Search out of Alphabet, because it's a monopoly... :D

There's nothing intrinsic about Google search that makes it a monopoly. Monopolies usually hold their position because regulations make it prohibitive for competitors to form or because they control a rare resource. Google search does neither of these two things. Its just a better product compared to everything else out there and the market reflects that.

[–] MattCruikshank 13 hours ago

Do they control the Trademark "Google"? Do they control the Domain Name "Google.com"?

Do they control the default Search engine for Android? For Chrome?

Did they pay to be the default Search engine on iPhone? On Firefox?

Are those rare resources? I'd say yes.

And you're conflating "illegally-maintained Monopoly" with "Monopoly." Whether they got there through using illegal tactics or not is a separate question from whether they are a Monopoly now. 90% - is that a high enough market share to qualify as a monopoly, when their annual revenue is like $224 billion? What percentage would be enough to convince you? Does it need to be 100%?

[–] eviks 14 hours ago

You forgot to exclude the "not usual" factors that allow monopolies to hold their position to rule Google out of the group.

For example, non-regulatory attempts at blocking of competitors, which Google does engage in due to their dominant position in mobile (of course, that's also just another better product)

[–] badreligion42 14 hours ago

Monopolies hold because companies engage in foul play to hold their monopolies. When Google goes out and pays Apple billions to default to Google Search, that is not a regulatory hurdle, nor is Google using its position as the Android platform maintainer and bundling Google Search with Play Services.

[–] phyzix5761 12 hours ago

How is that foul play? Companies pay other companies to be the exclusive X all the time. For example, Coca-Cola bought an exclusive right to the only soft drink brand at all Fifa games. There are other examples like Nike being the official uniform of the NFL (including fan purchases), Windows paying computer manufacturers to be the default OS on PCs, and Netflix paying TV makers to have a Netflix button on the remotes for the TVs.

[–] flatline 13 hours ago

I'm really torn between these two perspectives. You are not wrong about monopolies. And yet, when Google and Apple struck that deal I thought, thank god I will not be forced into using whatever Apple has to offer up as a search product.

[–] wrathofquan 13 hours ago

¿Por qué no los dos?

You can have shady corporate behavior and regulatory practices enabling each other.

[–] lokar 14 hours ago

The query logs and “permission” to crawl are both advantages vs startups.

[–] nerdo 14 hours ago

You can't legally make a crawler to compete with Google anymore, it's explicitly stated in a lot of robots.txt's.

[–] brap 14 hours ago

A rational take, prepare to get downvoted to oblivion!

[–] xnx 14 hours ago

"Search" is a borderline obsolete concept. There is no separation between search, AI, information retrieval, knowledge synthesis, information tasks, etc.