nondisclosure of compensation package and disparagement clauses are usually on the contracts as well. People don't want to tip off the H1B guy he makes 40% less than the dude standing next to him. =3
YMMV = Your milage is controlled by law, and cannot vary.
You can sign broken contract freely - it's unenforceable, so you can sign whatever paper HR hands to you, and only when you're retaliated against do you need to care. Which coincidentally is when you stop needing to be cooperative anyways.
Don't "YMMV" your way out of laws that protect you.
Some contract clause meanings have physical location dependence on where they are signed. That is why one should always consult local legal representation as well. =3
Still, there is no regional or federal law that can prevent someone talking about their wages in the US.
We have this thing called freedom of speech that the courts take pretty seriously (usually).
The whole don't discuss how much you get paid, because its poor etiquette is an anti-worker old wives tale created by HR people last century. Its a complete myth, but most jobs Ive worked at there's always someone who is extermely afraid to discuss the topic out of fear of breaking a non-existent rule. The psyops worked.
The US NLRA at one time excluded several categories of workers like Managers etc. I don't think there was any sort of intentional deception other than the tired old game of bidding down labor costs.
ymmv, as living in an ivory tower means I may be unaware of current US rules.
>We have this thing called freedom of speech
That may be an old wives tale, as corporate money is defined as speech now. =3
I was making over market rate on H1B. The petition process forces the employer to pay market rate or above.
Also the transfer petition is very easy and it usually takes 2-4 weeks. You can argue that changing jobs is higher friction for H1B workers, but if you are offered more salary elsewhere but decide to stay, well, that’s kind of on you, not the H1B process.
> Another key point is that H-1B employees rarely change jobs, since their visa is tied to a specific employer.
That statement is fake news. And not sure why they have to lie if all this data already backs up their claim. Oh wait, if it wasn’t for this BS claim we would question the market forces and not buy their BS…
I changed my job 3 times in 2 years on an H1B. Standard paperwork. In fact, the last one was during the company I worked for was being acquired so I had 2 petitions at the same time. Didn’t lift a finger for it. Well, other than signing the papers sent over to me.
I can get behind the claim that H1B workers negotiate worse because they are new to the country and possibly unaware of the market forces etc. And they don’t have the unemployment benefits to fall back to - even though they pay for it the same as everyone.
Oh, they also pay Social Security. And then leave. Just so we can enjoy it.
[–] Joel_Mckay 3 days ago
[–] vineyardmike 3 days ago
If your comp package has a non-disclosure clause it's illegal. You cannot be asked not to discuss salary in the US.
> People don't want to tip off
That's why it's illegal to be prevented from discussing salary. Discuss your coworkers - you might be the one being underpaid.
[–] Joel_Mckay 3 days ago
Fun times =3
[–] vineyardmike 3 days ago
You can sign broken contract freely - it's unenforceable, so you can sign whatever paper HR hands to you, and only when you're retaliated against do you need to care. Which coincidentally is when you stop needing to be cooperative anyways.
Don't "YMMV" your way out of laws that protect you.
[–] Joel_Mckay 2 days ago
[–] lifeisloving 2 days ago
We have this thing called freedom of speech that the courts take pretty seriously (usually).
The whole don't discuss how much you get paid, because its poor etiquette is an anti-worker old wives tale created by HR people last century. Its a complete myth, but most jobs Ive worked at there's always someone who is extermely afraid to discuss the topic out of fear of breaking a non-existent rule. The psyops worked.
[–] Joel_Mckay 2 days ago
ymmv, as living in an ivory tower means I may be unaware of current US rules.
>We have this thing called freedom of speech
That may be an old wives tale, as corporate money is defined as speech now. =3
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC
[–] ozozozd 3 days ago
I was making over market rate on H1B. The petition process forces the employer to pay market rate or above.
Also the transfer petition is very easy and it usually takes 2-4 weeks. You can argue that changing jobs is higher friction for H1B workers, but if you are offered more salary elsewhere but decide to stay, well, that’s kind of on you, not the H1B process.
[–] Joel_Mckay 3 days ago
Perhaps the people I knew were just unlucky =3
[–] ozozozd 2 days ago
That statement is fake news. And not sure why they have to lie if all this data already backs up their claim. Oh wait, if it wasn’t for this BS claim we would question the market forces and not buy their BS…
I changed my job 3 times in 2 years on an H1B. Standard paperwork. In fact, the last one was during the company I worked for was being acquired so I had 2 petitions at the same time. Didn’t lift a finger for it. Well, other than signing the papers sent over to me.
I can get behind the claim that H1B workers negotiate worse because they are new to the country and possibly unaware of the market forces etc. And they don’t have the unemployment benefits to fall back to - even though they pay for it the same as everyone.
Oh, they also pay Social Security. And then leave. Just so we can enjoy it.
[–] Joel_Mckay 2 days ago