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points by zahlman 3 days ago | 0 comments
> synthetic hydrocarbons

I don't follow. Why would they be any less polluting than natural ones?

[–] tialaramex 2 days ago
In and of themselves the hydrocarbons are molecules with only Carbon and Hydrogen atoms. So, they're polluting only in the sense that we should not release more Carbon Dioxide into our atmosphere because due to the Greenhouse Effect that causes Climate Disaster.

In terms of regular old "Oh, no, it's toxic" pollution this part was fine, and the problem in the "natural" hydrocarbons is that they were not actually pure hydrogen and carbon - especially coal. So you just wouldn't do that in the synthetics. It's likely easier to make "pure" synthetics.

In terms of climate, the synthetics would be cycling carbon that already exists. So they'd be neutral. Neutral isn't a solution, but it's at least not making the problem even worse which we are aggressively continuing to do as a species.

[–] __MatrixMan__ 2 days ago
Because we'd be making them out of CO2 pulled from the atmosphere in the first place. We wouldn't be putting any new carbon into the atmosphere, just recycling carbon that's already there. And the larger our fuel stockpiles get, the more carbon we've sequestered. I think it has better economic incentives than pumping CO2 down into the earth or something like that.
[–] zahlman 2 days ago
Cycling carbon between CO2 and synthetic hydrocarbons, and presumably using clean energy for the recovery step, seems like basically just a complex solar+battery scheme (and I can't really see it being more efficient, although it produces denser storage). Sequestering the CO2 in carbonate rock makes more sense to me (and that has actual chemical uses too).
[–] defrost 2 days ago
Alternatively, sequestering in ultramafic rock to transform to carbonate rock and make a bit of orange hydrogen on the side to power the scheme.

* https://research.csiro.au/carbonlock/geological-properties-o...

* https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S036031992...

[–] khalic 3 days ago
Because they would be generated with CO2 by industrial processes or carbon capture. I don't see the process becoming economically viable, and hydrocarbon combustion create other toxic byproducts, compared to hydrogen. It will still make sense for usages that require a high J/kg fuel ratio.
[–] __MatrixMan__ 2 days ago
Do you see any other carbon capture scheme becoming economically viable? I mean, if we must put atmospheric carbon in tanks anyhow, why not package it as fuel so that we can burn it later if we need to?

Spring and fall are peak solar collection times, summer and winter are peak energy use times. So collect the carbon in fall, burn it in winter, re-collect it in spring, burn it in summer...