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points by laylower 2 days ago | 0 comments
Are China and Russia democracies?
[–] 999900000999 2 days ago
In China the social contract is different.

You give up some rights for internal stability and in theory better social benefits.

In America, our social contract allows 10 guilty men to go free rather than imprisoning one innocent.

That's the myth anyway. Back in reality America is rapidly marching towards authoritarian capitalism.

Jump outs , black sites, indefinite detention.

>Naturally the common people don't want war . . . but after all it is the leaders of a country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or parliament or a communist dictatorship. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country.

-Hermann Goering

Thus we're always at War. War on Drugs. War on Illegal Immigration. War on Crime. War on you.

So what we've already deported multiple born in the US citizens. This is war!

[–] cucumber3732842 2 days ago
>In America, our social contract allows 10 guilty men to go free rather than imprisoning one innocent.

For criminal matters, sure.

In civil and administrative matters it's the opposite with the decimal moved to the left a couple times.

[–] qup 2 days ago
> So what we've already deported multiple born in the US citizens

What are their names?

[–] 999900000999 2 days ago
[–] qup 2 days ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/immigration/comments/1w8vhot/born_h...

You guys are never able to manage one. That guy is a Mexican national, not an American

The children aren't deported, their parents are. They, of course, get the choice to take their children with them. You don't want to split apart families, right?

Of course #3 isn't a deportation so I didn't even look at it

[–] Rohansi 2 days ago
> That guy is a Mexican national, not an American

If they actually have a valid US birth certificate then how can you say that?

[–] qup 2 days ago
He actually has a valid Mexican birth certificate, and the guys in charge of who is and isn't a citizen said he isn't.

They didn't randomly pick on this guy, and they've deported millions of people without deporting a citizen.

[–] Buttons840 1 day ago
> the guys in charge of who is and isn't a citizen said he isn't.

At least you recognize that who is and isn't a citizen is no longer determined by law and facts, but by "guys".

[–] Rohansi 2 days ago
From what I've seen it looks like he has a birth certificate in both countries? If he does and his US birth certificate says he was born in the US then he is a US citizen.
[–] cowlevel 2 days ago
Freedom isn't really about whether your country is a democracy or not. Dictatorships can be free (for a while) and democracies can be unfree (Hitler was elected).