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points by rvz 2 days ago | 0 comments

As I said before, World models will become simulation engines of AAA games where there is no need to release the actual game artifact and even if the game exists as a binary artifact, it will never be released and will be available on their hosted cloud back-end, then simulated and streamed back to you.

So, Stadia + World Models = New generation of DRM for games.

[–] MattDaEskimo 2 days ago

Why? Why would a non-deterministic engine be better for a game when it can be instead structured and made deterministic and then more effectively distributed to consumer hardware?

[–] SomeonesAccount 2 days ago

It wouldn't be better for players. It would be better for companies because the user no longer owns the computer that runs the game.

[–] moralestapia 2 days ago

And a month or so of development time. Pure IP re-selling.

October? Yeah, just release the "Spiderman saves Halloween" prompt.

This is a wet dream for big studios.

[–] phyzix5761 2 days ago

You can still stream a deterministic world to the player.

[–] verdverm 2 days ago

it's not, it just sounds cooler to say prophetic things like this these days

[–] causal 2 days ago

Game industry is still struggling to find a way to incorporate regular LLMs without suffering catastrophic edge cases. A long way to go before these can do more than fancy tech demo, I think.

[–] perchedonstilts 2 days ago

None of this makes sense. Think of the economics involved here: is it cheaper to run tens/hundreds of thousands of GPU clusters to simulate a unique game world for millions of players, or would it be cheaper to just write the god damn code once, and then host it for download, or to allow them to be streamed?

[–] paxy 2 days ago

Because it wasn’t bad enough to need a $5000 5090 to play a game, now you’re going to need a full rack of them!

[–] qup 2 days ago

They can try, my household won't be purchasing those.

We'll be riding the huge wave of indie titles that are incoming.

[–] verdverm 2 days ago

> We'll be riding the huge wave of indie titles that are incoming.

The problem will be separating the wheat (people with good stories and concepts enabled by Ai) from the chaff (people with no taste slopping out trash with Ai)

[–] qup 2 days ago

Yes, but for me the discovery of treasures is part of the fun.

I also love thrifting and artifact hunting.

[–] BatFastard 2 days ago

Isn't that what streamers are for?

I mean - reviewers!

[–] verdverm 2 days ago

streamers and best-in-genre videos have become my primary filter tbh

been checking out the archives lately, nothing recent excites me

[–] verdverm 2 days ago

Stadia is dead, the reason is playing games over the internet sucks, input lag and serious graphics degradation - this is why I cancelled

Ai generated games suck even more, no skill; no taste, there is no TLC put into them

Then there is the economics of it, cost prohibitive to (re)generate a scene and ship that over internet pipes

[–] ZiiS 2 days ago

Stadia is dead because if you have a data-center of GPUs you are using them for AI. It has nothing to do with input lag and graphics degradation.

[–] ActionHank 2 days ago

Oh no my guy, you are misremembering, stadia died a quiet death long before AI.

The latency was no good even on fast internet for even slow games. It is and was pointless.

[–] Matl 2 days ago

Stadia was pretty good, be it OnLive was similar quality in like 2010. It even had the best version of Cyberpunk 2077 when that launched. But the model was free version of the service for a limited resolution AND you have to buy games there OR a subscription based option and you still have to buy games there.

That made no sense and wasn't a viable business model.

[–] verdverm 2 days ago

stadia died way beforehand, history is useful

https://www.denofgeek.com/games/why-google-stadia-failed-shu...

[–] ZiiS 2 days ago

I am sure the are other typical Google fumbles that would have meant they were not the victor; but I am sure an equivalent service would be mainstream today if AI had not dramatically changed the economics. [also Google bought DeepMind in 2014; 'way beforehand' is and odd way to look at it]

[–] verdverm 2 days ago

I disagree, dropping below 60 FPS will be noticed and turn players away, you are not getting that with good input handling even today, it has nothing to do with GPUs and everything to do with networking

> beforehand...

is about the craze, the ChatGPT moment and beyond, when GPUs demand went exponential, not when various types of Ai algorithms were available

[–] ZiiS 2 days ago

It is about when Google realized GPUs were about to go exponential; they may have missed some opportunities but they were well ahead of the curve.

[–] verdverm 2 days ago

sure... despite all the other people who used it and are saying otherwise, and the fact that google totally fumbled in the Ai race as well as built custom silicon for Ai...

... history is helpful ... google didn't - and still doesn't - understand gamers, same for all the other Ai hucksters, gamers are among the most anti-Ai

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1Fv1uKTd-w

[–] andoando 2 days ago

Geforce Now is still a thing

[–] ActionHank 2 days ago

Because stadia was a real banger right?

Do you have even the slightest idea of the level of expectation that even the most casual gamer has?

This isn’t achieving much beyond prototyping. They’re burning so much money for no reason.

[–] pixl97 2 days ago

And? Just spin up some open world model and pay for the compute and play your own games?

There are so many options for games now that just sticking with the biggest AAA companies seems like a waste.

[–] 72deluxe 1 day ago

I see comments on here that refer to something someone has said before, for example, "as I said before", or "I said this the other month", as if the entire universe is following a single person's statements. It seems very self-referential and self-consumed.

[–] well_ackshually 2 days ago

And nobody will play that trash, and the world won't change.

Also, lmao, they're already trying to nickel and dime you and sell you microtransactions that took 5 minutes to make for 10 bucks. If you think they're going to pay the costs for running a world model for every single person, lol.