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points by nyc_data_geek 1 day ago | 0 comments
Sure, along with the occasional public execution, for optics.
[–] Jensson 1 day ago
Deporting everyone who isn't in the country legally is their mission, executing people is not.

You can argue about how they should go about deporting people, but them deporting everyone even those without a criminal record is their intended purpose.

[–] tshaddox 1 day ago
> Deporting everyone who isn't in the country legally is their mission

This is not in fact the stated mission of the agency.

[–] Jensson 1 day ago
Enforcing immigration law is their mission which includes deporting those who aren't allowed to be in the country. So yes it is their mission.
[–] aetch 1 day ago
Only if they have a deportation order. There are scenarios where people are in an in between state or have the ability to challenge a deportation order
[–] harimau777 6 hours ago
Things aren't that simple. Some illegal immigrants were brought here long before they were old enough to have a say. Some were here legally but then Trump canceled their asylum.
[–] jayd16 1 day ago
That would put them in the criminal record column, unless you mean "without legal review", ie anyone they feel like?
[–] wat10000 1 day ago
It is extremely important to distinguish between people who are here illegally and people who are subject to a deportation order. ICE's mission is to deport people with deportation orders, and get people suspected of breaking the law in front of a court. The way you've worded it makes it sound like their mission is to go straight from "here illegally" to "deport" which it very much is not.
[–] unethical_ban 1 day ago
I outright think deporting every person here undocumented now is not ethical, or beneficial to society, given the history of immigration and enforcement in this country.

https://wannabewonk.com/how-are-they-different/

>Many of the discussions above are based on a central fact: Undocumented immigrants are here, now, in large numbers. In a world where America had zero undocumented residents, arguments could be made to be less tolerant of their presence, to discourage them from being here. It wouldn't be patently inhumane to deport someone if they have been here weeks, rather than years or decades.

A serious, ethical attempt to reduce illegal immigration would be to set a path to legal, documented residence for all current non-felon aliens, and begin "undocumented" enforcement with a clean slate.

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edit to reply to Izikiel43 since my participation in the thread has been throttled:

Is it incomprehensible that we could have a compromise solution not involving deportation of tens of millions of people, while at the same time implementing employment validation and other checks that begin actually doing immigration enforcement before families settle?

You assume that a path to legal citizenship for long-time residents here would 100% mean the situation would repeat itself, and I disagree.

[–] Izikiel43 1 day ago
> A serious, ethical attempt to reduce illegal immigration would be to set a path to legal, documented residence for all current non-felon aliens

Why follow the rules then? If it happens once, it can happen again, it would have the opposite effect.

[–] Jensson 1 day ago
I agree, but that is not for ICE to decide. Democrats should have fixed this a long time ago, USA isn't a one party state so if Democrats wanted to fix this they could have. But they too didn't want undocumented immigrants to gain full rights, it is very useful to have abusable second class citizens around for the upper classes.

So the problem here isn't ICE, it is Trump and his politics. ICE following the law and doing their job is the wrong target.

[–] unethical_ban 1 day ago
Of the half-dozen or so attempts at immigration reform in the past 25 years, every one of them has been blocked by Republicans.

IMO, Republicans like the status quo because the business class enjoys exploiting workers they can threaten with deportation, and they enjoy it as a rallying cry for their voting base.

[–] Forgeties79 1 day ago
It’s also the federal government’s job to go around arresting everybody carrying or smoking weed, as it is still illegal no matter what any state says and every single person consuming it is a lawbreaker.

Should they go around and do that too?

[–] Jensson 1 day ago
Every time the police gets to choose whether to apply a law or not you add more power to the police, I don't want the police to be more powerful.

Anyone who don't say yes just wants a police state, the reason your American police is so dangerous and powerful is because they have these choices and can arrest you for a lot of things that people don't normally get arrested for.

So yes, they should do that. That you think they shouldn't is exactly why the American police is so horrible.

[–] fzeroracer 1 day ago
You're mixing up cause and effect. The police in America aren't more dangerous and powerful because they have choices, they have choices because they are dangerous and powerful.

There was a post here about a year or so ago about a guy on Facebook being arrested for incredibly benign posts [1]. It's the clearest example of violating one of our foundational laws of this country. Yet the police get away with a slap on the wrist as taxpayers pay for their abuse of power. American police are powerful and are not subject to the same level of scrutiny or justice as average individuals. They can selectively ignore laws and constitutional rights as is.

[1] https://abc7ny.com/post/tennessee-man-jailed-charlie-kirk-po...

[–] Forgeties79 1 day ago
I do actually think that we shouldn’t have laws we aren’t willing to enforce, so we agree more than you think. I’ve been against states unilaterally legalizing it for years because I worried what happens when states buck laws that I do agree with, such as voting rights or basic protections for all people.

The issue is we don’t run our country that way. We do apply it on a spectrum. So as long as that’s the status quo, I will expect them to back off on things that don’t need strict enforcement. You don’t need to eject every single undocumented person with impunity. It is not productive or ethical.

[–] bix6 1 day ago
"Protect America through criminal investigations and enforcing immigration laws to preserve national security and public safety."
[–] Jensson 1 day ago
Deporting people is "enforcing immigration law".
[–] bix6 1 day ago
Sure but you don’t have to be an asshole about it and deprive people of civil and moral rights.
[–] unethical_ban 1 day ago
But deporting families and nonviolent people who have been here, tolerated for decades and contributing to society, is not "Protecting America".
[–] Jensson 1 day ago
The law is assumed to be in line with "protect America", it isn't up for ICE to decide that. If you think current laws are not protecting America then vote to change them.

However what ICE gets to decide is what cases to prioritize, they don't get to decide who to exonerate but their limited resources means that they prioritize those who are bigger dangers. Still if they had infinite resources they would take everyone.

[–] ourmandave 1 day ago
When you have trouble meeting the daily quota set by the administration, I guess you wouldn't have time to ponder if the 73-year-old grandma who has been here 30 years is a threat to America.

And civil rights are merely a speed bump on the way to the detention center.

[–] harimau777 6 hours ago
Just because it is assumed by someone doesn't make them right.
[–] boston_clone 1 day ago
> they prioritize those who are bigger dangers

Then why is the administration revoking immigration status, and we have evidence that a significant portion of those detained have zero criminal background? Worse, why are you acting as an apologist for fascist and xenophobic policies?

[–] unethical_ban 1 day ago
But they aren't prioritizing dangers. That is false. They have quotas set by a white supremacist. And I think talking about the Trump administration's direction of ICE and ICE itself is a distinction without a difference.
[–] FireBeyond 1 day ago
What is telling a federal judge who has placed a hold on someone's detention that "No, we're ignoring that and have put him on a plane anyway"?

Or "No, we won't be turning that plane around."

I think you mean selectively enforcing some immigration law.

[–] boston_clone 1 day ago
And what do you call targeting people based on their skin color?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/09/10/immi...

[–] SmirkingRevenge 1 day ago
The law dictates who can be deported, generally not who must be deported.

Who must be deported is mostly left up to discretion.

And since deportation is very expensive and drastic - an option of last resort - it's usually better for all involved to come up with other arrangements.

Most prior presidents had good sense enough to understand that mass deportation is a major foot-gun, politically and economically. And kind of morally monstrous.

For better or worse, the arrangement that's been informally agreed upon is to let most of the undocumented who have been here a long time, remain (dreamers, etc).

Sadly, that left them all vulnerable to the discretion of a capricious criminal wanna-be dictator like Trump.

[–] Jensson 1 day ago
> Most prior presidents had good sense enough to understand that mass deportation is a major foot-gun, politically and economically. And kind of morally monstrous.

If they recognized this is an issue just add a way for upstanding undocumented immigrants to become documented immigrants, problem solved.

Instead they preserved the status quo where they can use ICE to hammer their enemies, that is a very bad thing. ICE taking everyone is the only way, it robs it of its power.

[–] newfriend 1 day ago
Just legalize murder and you will have no more criminal murderers.
[–] SmirkingRevenge 1 day ago
The current administration seems to be doing a trial run of this policy, limited to agents in ICE/USBP
[–] SmirkingRevenge 1 day ago
> where they can use ICE to hammer their enemies

Only Trump has really done this. ICE was created in the wake of 9/11 and didn't exist before then.

Before Trump we had Bush and Obama presiding over ICE - the 9/11 aftermath heavily influenced both of their administration policies on deportation (in both cases, pretty hardline).

Before ICE, deportation was mostly a matter for lawyers and judges, and not full of smashed car windows and gun fights, by chuds that make mall-cops look like Marines by comparison.

The weaponization of ICE against political enemies is new and dangerous

We can certainly blame congress for not doing reform, but also it's really hard. The immigration system is probably the most complex legal and bureaucratic regime in the country

[–] tootie 1 day ago
That wasn't the campaign promise and isn't worth spending money on. Also they are deporting and detaining people who are here legally and even killing American citizens. Even if it isn't a official mission it's the inevitable side effect of funding a domestic law enforcement agency like a military and making them explicitly beholden to a political agenda.
[–] Forgeties79 1 day ago
Isn’t it so cool that none of the theoretical /s