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points by cromka 1 day ago | 0 comments
But there's a cost involved if you go against one of your most defended stances and offer nothing to back up that change of heart.

It's a negative on the brand because that sort of consistency is something that made Apple.

[–] stetrain 1 day ago
What percentage of Apple's customers remember Steve Jobs saying that thing in 2011? I think most of them are here in this thread.

And there was an answer given by John Ternus:

"The Mac is first and foremost an indirect input device, built around the trackpad and keyboard. But I think there's times when it's comfortable and handy to have touch.

We needed to get to a point where adding touch didn't make the product lesser in any way. It didn't make it heavier. It didn't make it thicker. That came together with the OLED screen, the best display we've ever put into a Mac. All of these things, and, oh yeah, it has touch as well."

[–] russelg 1 day ago
That basically cuts to the core of it, it has touch because the Tandem OLEDs they can source, already have the touch built in. It's not really any more complex than that.
[–] cromka 1 day ago
Things aren't decided by customers only. There are journalists, YouTubers and whole class of influencers who can decided something is shite on a whim. If enough people do so, the tide may change faster then you'd think. It happened to companies with cult following before. It's literally happening to Nike as we speak.

Apple has had more flops than hits in recent years. The Vision Pro, the Glass interface, the Duo hinge flaw that will almost certainly end up with a recall. The Apple Watch always listening, now the bangle touch display with nothing innovative to back it up?

They don't deliver like they used to. I was their fanboy for 10 years and they did deliver the quality and innovation consistently, I just don't see it anymore. The only thing they have going is the CPU.

[–] stetrain 1 day ago
True, they should have never made an iPhone with a screen more than 4”, never released the iPad mini, and never shipped a stylus for the iPad because those are all things Steve said were bad.
[–] cromka 22 hours ago
Did you notice how it's you who's reducing it to "What Jobs said" strawman to avoid addressing the actual arguments?
[–] stetrain 17 hours ago
As far as I can tell your only argument against adding a touchscreen is that Apple has previously taken the stance that they would not do it, so that I what I was responding to.

But of course yes, Apple has vaguely and generally declined and their products are flops. Unlike the good old days of the first versions of Mac OSX, the G4 Cube, the iPod HiFi, the flaking-paint Titanium Powerbook, the bendy iPhone 6, or of course Ping, the revolutionary music social network.