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points by MisterTea 1 day ago | 0 comments
> He/she

"They" works perfectly well for these situations.

[–] spauldo 1 day ago
A lot of us grew up back when "he" was first being replaced by "he/she" (or just "her"). We'll get used to "they" as we encounter it more and more in daily usage. Just give it time.
[–] StilesCrisis 1 day ago
"They" has been a gender-neutral singular or plural pronoun for hundreds of years.
[–] spauldo 1 day ago
Maybe, but default masculine was way more common. That was still taught as proper usage in the 80s here in the US. He/she was its most common replacement until fairly recently.
[–] adamsmark 23 hours ago
"They" is so much easier.

I always felt like saying if "he or she" took too much time and was unnecessary.

"They" will replace Him and Her! It might even be you! (If I ever refer to you in 3rd person)

[–] spauldo 14 hours ago
I agree that it's easier. Eventually "they" will probably replace "him/her." Language drift takes time, though, which was my original point.
[–] pvab3 22 hours ago
A lot of people don't accept it as such, including myself
[–] varjag 22 hours ago
Its use in this function predates you and the culture wars you may be involved into.
[–] pvab3 15 hours ago
It has nothing to do with culture wars, I'm just a stickler for grammatical precision and not overloading the meanings of words.
[–] coldpie 14 hours ago
No, I'm afraid you really are stuck in a culture war. As the above poster said, "they" truly has been a gender-neutral singular or plural pronoun for hundreds of years.

For example, someone two blocks down the street is doing something weird. "What are they doing?" is a perfectly grammatically normal reaction to seeing this.

[–] 4798642799 16 hours ago
Why are you bringing "wars" into this?
[–] inglor_cz 16 hours ago
"You might be not interested in the war, but the war is interested in you."
[–] OJFord 12 hours ago
Using 'they' for an unknown gender has nothing to do with people 'identifying' as they, or anything modern.

It's never been 'he', except in sexism such as 'when the doctor comes he will examine you' (with the doctor's identity and hence gender unknown, but assumed male by profession).

[–] spauldo 7 hours ago
Masculine pronouns were very much the default outside of a few cases (like the "what are they doing?" another posted mentioned). You can say it's due to sexism which is a reasonable argument, but that doesn't change the fact that defaulting to masculine pronouns was the recommended (and most widely used in practice) style.

Seriously, read anything more than about fifty years old. The 1918 Strunk & White¹ stated, "Use the masculine pronoun unless the antecedent is or must be feminine." They argued against inclusive pronouns in the 70s when E. B. White (yeah, the mouse guy) was in charge of the style book, and didn't start recommending inclusive language until the 2000 edition.

The Chicago Manual of Style originally didn't mention it because it was so ingrained in the English language. It only started discouraging its use in 1982, and didn't condemn it until 2010.

Edit: I guess I should state right here that I'm not advocating for default male pronouns in writing. I think "they" is the best replacement. But I was taught "he" and adapted to "he/she" over the years. "They" really only seems to have become prevalent over the last decade or so.

¹That's Strunk and White the style book, not Strunk/White slash fiction.

[–] OJFord 6 hours ago
Maybe it's an American thing.
[–] spauldo 47 minutes ago
Maybe! Although I doubt it. Honestly, if you're really curious about it it's best to ask a local language expert if you have access to a university. I'm just an old computer geek with a higher-than-average interest in the written word.

This might make a good subject for a RobWords video, actually.

[–] MisterTea 13 hours ago
So did I and we were taught to use "they" when the "sex" of the subject was unknown.
[–] spauldo 7 hours ago
Your school must have been more progressive than mine, then. The argument was still ongoing in the 70s and 80s, so if you went through school during that era it could have gone either way.
[–] efilife 1 day ago
Does it matter?
[–] efilife 5 hours ago
I fucking love being downvoted for asking a question. Reddit mentality.