[–] zmmmmm 1 day ago
[–] modeless 22 hours ago
I feel like Meta's track record of VR device support has been decent enough. Quest Pro still gets updates even though it was discontinued almost two years ago. When they ended support for Oculus Go they released an update that unlocked the device and granted root access. I'm sure you can find some complaints on Reddit but looking at what they've actually done I think it looks pretty good.
[–] zmmmmm 4 hours ago
Quest Pro is a good example though because yes, they provided OS updates. But they never released anything like the required software to address professional use cases that they suggested would happen when they launched it. That's where I harbor the doubts about support. I just don't think Meta "gets" professional / business use. They aren't built with that DNA as a company.
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[–] chaosharmonic 1 day ago
Those aren't mutually exclusive though. Horizon OS is based on AOSP, and the more applications cross over into big screens on Android, the more Horizon gains the ability to leverage them too. Whether they actually show up in Facebook's store is a separate question, but I also have no idea how common the use of SideQuest is, just that the store is somewhat of an artificial limitation. (Google Play, on the other hand...)
> But the real choice is the unfortunate one of who is least likely to abandon the whole thing when it doesn't take off and leave you with an un/poorly supported device. Both companies have terrible track records on this.
Agreed. I would never buy a device like this from Facebook, and while glasses as a display are super useful, I don't necessarily see the need for a dedicated compute device for them when this experience could just as easily be powered by a phone. (I could maybe see replacing a phone with this, but more for particular minimalist crowds and not as a mass-market sell.)
[–] andybak 10 hours ago
The devil is in the details. Every single UX design choice can have massive impact on productivity and creative tooling workflows. Don't predict anything based on the spec sheet.
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[–] andybak 7 hours ago
Hand-tracking is a terrible idea without micro gestures and eye tracking - because your arms tire very quickly and pointing at things is very inaccurate. There's a reason why brushes are more popular than finger painting)
Of course - we've already invented the optimum solution which is tracked 6dof controllers - but someone decided they aren't ever going to be mainstream so here we are...
[–] 2001zhaozhao 1 day ago
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[–] 2001zhaozhao 1 day ago
But even given that the glasses have to support hand tracking and 6DOF, I think they can probably build the sensors into the glasses but compute them with the phone. Or maybe calculating hand tracking would drain the battery of a Pixel too fast or something. Not sure.
[–] verdverm 1 day ago
Passthrough is lame compared to real AR
[–] jayd16 1 day ago
[–] verdverm 10 hours ago
looking closer, there are two lens like things, bulkier, as say compared to the hololens 2, which is my benchmark for AR/XR (bulky device, but singular lens)
The entire category is socially frowned upon right now as perv glasses because a non insignificant portion of males are utter pervs
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[–] SirMaster 11 hours ago
I picked up a pair of factory refurb VITURE Pro XR for $130 and they are fantastic for watching movies from my phone on a trip, or playing games from like a steam deck.
They really are native 1080p 120Hz micro OLED screens. Fantastic contrast and brightness.
I don't care at all about the head tracking or passthrough or any of that stuff. To me they are just a simple fixed floating huge high quality screen that I can use on the go.
I'm also able to watch 3D movies on them with of course zero crosstalk and that's pretty neat too!
If anyone else is interested in trying these types of glasses here they are for $152 (with coupon SHOPNOW15) certified refurb from the original company with an excellent 30 day return policy.
[–] jotux 10 hours ago
[–] SirMaster 10 hours ago
I actually used them like this when I was stuck in bed after a back surgery for a couple weeks, plugged into my laptop.
They do make a newer model now that is actually fairly stripped down in terms of functionality but is supposed to have the best clarity, the VITURE Pro 2 XR, and new they are only $300, and you can get a 10% off coupon for their site, so they are $270 new which isn't bad at all.
Many companies are making these glasses (Xreal, Viture RayNeo, Rokid, etc). They are all fundamentally the same thing. Same micro OLED panels and similar optical design. But they keep adding more features like better head tracking, better built in audio (I just use my AirPods Pro 2), built in cameras, more on-board processing for 3D stuff, that just makes the price go higher, so it's nice to see they still make a new pair with stripped down features for those of us who just want a basic display and for fairly cheap still.
I think you just need to try it to see for yourself if it works for your use case. The return policy is really good.
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[–] jcul 21 hours ago
I bought some vr glasses a few years back but ended up returning them as there was no way you could code with them.
They weren't xreal, but a similar competitor, can't recall the name.
[–] nicman23 20 hours ago
the only jank in standalone is android's handling of physical keyboards.
the software side is WayVR which a wayland compositor (?) that can handle windows, or can also handle monitors (and virtual ones) at least with KDE
[–] Towaway69 22 hours ago
Have a meta quest 3 but want to replace the chrome browser on and generally meta as well.
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[–] AuthAuth 1 day ago
The part where he asked AI to organise his windows was almost as painful as the part where he was in a generic chase sequence of a Ubisoft slop game and asked whats the best way to catch the assassin.
[–] delichon 1 day ago
Continuous AI dependence of a large fraction of society is coming fast. It needs a name. Cyborgism? Umbilicals?
We'll also need to coin some names for the symbiotes to call the resistors. Neoamish? Analogues?
The economic power difference between the two groups may justify calling them the Eloi and the Morlocks.
[–] traverseda 1 day ago
[–] serf 1 day ago
"Quick, everyone! There has been an event in the time line that causes derision between the masses, let's assign derogatory phrases to blindly label individuals on each side -- we'll call them slurs -- according to the corresponding biases before any kind of human oneness or organization can take place, otherwise we risk human relations improving!"
or, another route : every single step need not be 'us or them'.
... on another hand, 'gargoyle' is kind of cool.
[–] officeplant 10 hours ago
Given how this AI push has been extremely anti-labor, we are actually fighting for human relations to improve.
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[–] reaperducer 1 day ago
How about "human beings?"
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[–] andybak 10 hours ago
Not sure. I mainly still use a Quest 3 as a monitor replacement and had no strong reason to switch. The prescription inserts I got with these weren't quite right for my prescription and I prefer using my actual spectacles. So I've only used them to port stuff to/develop for - and tinker with existing apps (mainly the google supplied stuff as the embargo only lifted yesterday so there wasn't much released for it specifically).
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I also think a well encoded mp3 at around 192kbs VBR is good enough for everyone and nobody needs a 4k TV - so judge me as you see fit.
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[–] ranger_danger 1 day ago
I like mine, they are more usable as a work monitor than I thought they would be (I'm used to blurry VR sets but these are sharp except for the extreme edges). The FOV is not quite as wide as the new XR ones but I'm ok with that... I don't use them for any immersive effect.
[–] starkparker 1 day ago
the only things that make the Aura tempting are the 70deg FoV (which like you say isn't a feature everyone wants or needs) and the 1000 lumen brightness. neither justifies burning extra money on the useless puck, even if Google is subsidizing it.
if the Aura was available at $700-$800 puckless they'd be a genuine upgrade over the One Pro.
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[–] crazygringo 1 day ago
To be honest, it feels a lot less dystopian to me. Frees up your body so you can easily alternate between sitting and standing, and move between environments or inside/outside a lot easier.
Like, it's technology adapting itself to our bodies, instead of trying to adapt our bodies to technology by hunching over and developing neck strain and bad backs.
[–] jaypatelani 1 day ago
[–] reaperducer 1 day ago
It went something like "…there's a red light blinking in the darkness. You have a message."
[–] moomoo11 1 day ago
or at least i might wake up since im the one typing this.
and im arriving at alpha centauri.
all the progress and human evolution, timelines etc with exponential acceleration in the last act.
all to do with the effects of space time travel. the brain needs to remain active even in stasis.
thats the wake up signal.
[–] malux85 9 hours ago
Using an ide is difficult because in order to have enough text on the screen to be useful the font size has to be that micromovements of the head makes reading the text difficult - its fine for 15 minutes but try doing 2 hours of coding on it, and the extra cognitive load of tracking the moving screen and text is too much. Mine sit in the case now, gathering dust.
Watching movies, probably fine. Playing games, probably fine. I don't do those things.
[–] zb3 1 day ago
[–] cendyne 1 day ago
Their AURAs are probably the same in this specific capability, it looks like the same thing I have in my hands, apart from the extra cameras and a different set of buttons.
The projection lenses look the same too, which means there's no periphery at all. That makes the sort of "screens hovering around you" in the advertising not all that representative of the experience. You see what's in front of you and might barely contain the one screen that you're looking at.
But the real choice is the unfortunate one of who is least likely to abandon the whole thing when it doesn't take off and leave you with an un/poorly supported device. Both companies have terrible track records on this.