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points by speakspokespok 1 day ago | 0 comments
I live in the US, and have heard nothing at all about this. What surprises me is this never used to happen when I was a kid.
[–] mjevans 1 day ago
- Politics (in focus) others already pointed out

- When sports do their major events has shifted in the last decades or so

- There's no longer a common TV culture.

That last point started more with Cable TV, but everyone still got 'over the air' so coverage on major TV networks usually provided a foundation of shared culture and events. It also provided major news summaries that most busy adults managed to see a bit of. As if any of us with jobs have time for that these days.

There's also the war for everyone's attention on "Social Media" and the Internet generally.

[–] ipaddr 1 day ago
It doesn't explain why it is not discussed on openair channels.
[–] dylan604 1 day ago
It's enough that I knew the two teams playing in the Series, that both teams have never won, and that the progress was looking really good for the Brewers all while not being the type that follows baseball at all.
[–] ButlerianJihad 22 hours ago
I believe that the answer is licensing. If a channel or network is not licensed to carry Official MLB Footage, then they are reluctant to report on it or even admit that such a thing exists, lest they inadvertently send viewers off to change channels, and go find the licensee.

A contributing factor is the absolute iron grip on the trademarked terms, such as World Series and Super Bowl, where every media outlet is 100% forbidden under pain of waterboarding, lest they utter these two words in proximity, whether for free or to promote a party or product or gathering event.

So ultimately, you wind up with a media environment where nobody but the licensee is willing to admit that these enormous sporting events exist. Of course, the licensees themselves are sending a firehose of coverage by every available medium, and those who are in-the-know, and wealthy enough to subscribe, are hanging on the every word of ESPN, ESPN2, and ESPN9 with the play-by-play.

You can be sure that my father was watching every pitch and every out from his armchair, until his beloved Padres got left behind, yet again. San Diego Padres are another franchise that has never won a World Series. They are joined in the record books by the Rockies, the Mariners, and of course, the Tampa Bay Rays.

[–] S_Bear 14 hours ago
It used to be easy to watch a game; when I was teenager in the 90s, the Indians would air on our local UHF station (channel 43!) and after I'd get home from work around 8 pm, I could usually catch the end of the game with my father before bed. Now it's divided between a variety of cable channels and streaming options.

Many of the elderly people I work with are big Minnesota Timberwolves fans, and they have 0 interest in signing up for DAZN to stream and have cut their cable for cost reasons, so there's no easy way to watch. A few guys I know are Twins fans and listen to the radio for the same reason. Leagues make it hard now.

[–] jmyeet 1 day ago
I don't know why people in these comments are dragging politics into it. That strikes me as a terminally online take and I say that as an self-confessed politics frog.

If anything, the following of current events overall is way down to what it was decades ago by the general populace. People overall are incredibly ill-informed about so many things despite the wealth of information available.

Three things happened to baseball (IMHO):

1. The childhood funnel is drying up and has been for a long time. Kids now increasingly play soccer instead;

2. Take out the nostalgia and you're not left with much. There are too many games, they're too long and not enough happens. Football is bigger than ever; and

3. Structurally I think baseball made some huge mistakes, such as the soft salary cap system that created dynasties like the New York Yankees who could get rich on broadcast rights for a huge media market. The NFL has managed all of this so much better.

I'm not a huge sports fan but I find the systems fascinating. American sports evolved into a 3 pillar system. Basketball season into baseball season into football season through the calendar year. I wonder if baseball's timing over summer has contributed to this decline.

[–] davidd_1004 1 day ago
I don't really understand the "too long" complaint when NFL is the most popular sport. A baseball game is something like 30-45 minutes shorter than an NFL game. And NFL and MLB both have about 10-20 minutes of actual live play each so I don't think "nothing happens" is a particularly good explanation either.

I think the biggest reason is that it's much more difficult to follow as a casual fan due to the number of games. It was fine when baseball was more or less the only popular sport, but now it's competing with too many other things.

I hope it's true that the parity gap due to not having a salary cap is hurting the sport's popularity, but I'm not sure that's true either. The majority of fans root for only a handful of teams who benefit from not having one.

[–] justinrstout 1 day ago
On point 2: in my experience, the tradeoff is that baseball is the most accessible in-person major league sport. The quantity, length, and seasonal timing of games means that tickets are almost always affordable and can fit into my schedule. I go to more and more MLB games every year, whereas a ticket to my NFL team is a serious expenditure, and that's assuming that my schedule works out to where I can attend one of 8 home games for the entire year.
[–] jmyeet 1 day ago
Isn't that making my point? If tickets are cheap and easy to get, doesn't that indicate lack of demand? I'm minded of the (highly entertaining) Scottish "invasion" of Boston during the World Cup recently and they did a march and just went to a game at Fenway Park. That's not something you can just do with other major sports.

I also think about how sports are portrayed or used as dressing in media. Seinfeld, for example, was from an era where people often went to baseball games and knew all the player stats. People in previous generations would take their scorecards to games [1]. None of that really exists anymore.

[1]: https://www.wuwm.com/2023-04-10/this-baseball-season-try-an-...

[–] justinrstout 10 hours ago
> That's not something you can just do with other major sports.

This is specifically the appeal of in-person MLB games; it's no problem to get a group together: school, church, friends, family, or what have you, and roll up to a game on relatively short notice and have a low-stress experience. In this way it's in the same category as a museum or theme-park sort of outing.

Is it economically optimal? Maybe not, but I also don't think the product is trying to attract the same audience that's willing to engage in a high-coordination and high-intensity event like an NFL game. I know both folks who love the spectacle and effort of the NFL experience and folks who like catching a baseball game with their group when they have a free afternoon, and they don't really overlap.

[–] raldi 1 day ago
The NFL and MLB seem to have similar numbers of recent dynasties and of different teams that have won a championship.
[–] autoexec 1 day ago
> I don't know why people in these comments are dragging politics into it.

It dominates news coverage even when we're not coming up on an election, and the high stakes involved makes it an even bigger topic, and one that weighs heavily on people's minds.

> People overall are incredibly ill-informed about so many things despite the wealth of information available.

The wealth of information available (and disinformation avilable) is partly to blame. It's easy to spend your time only on a small number of interests. Most people just let the algorithms of a small number of corporations feed them the vast majority of what they consume, so while technically there's a lot more information out there, they only see what those corporations choose to show them.

[–] CGMthrowaway 1 day ago
All news is politics news now in the US. Didn't used to be like that. (Dear readers, go watch some old 80s-90s TV news broadcasts on youtube if you don't believe me)
[–] autoexec 1 day ago
I have sometimes wondered what news we're missing out on when all the focus is on politics, but some of it is probably due to media consolidation. It's easier and cheaper to write and send out scripts on national issues to every station you own all over the country than invest time and money on reports that only matter to a single region/community.
[–] jdprgm 1 day ago
Same. I vaguely recall maybe a mention of baseball playoffs somewhere or whatever they are called being on but barely anything compared to previous years. Last I heard I thought LA had some complete economic dominance on baseball players?

Basically the exact opposite of the NBA playoffs where similar to baseball i'm normally not into it but got totally absorbed this past year.

[–] PorterBHall 18 hours ago
Baseball used to be America’s premier sport, but it’s been declining in cultural relevance for decades. As a lifelong baseball fan, this saddens me. Not there’s a strike looming that threatens next season.
[–] mingus88 15 hours ago
Baseball is simply harder to watch. It’s true that NFL games are very much stop and go but the game moves.

Baseball will literally have complete innings where nothing happens unless you really geek out on pitching. Last year they had a World Series game go on for almost seven hours and it was only 6-5 at the end

It’s a super interesting game because the defense controls the ball and there is no clock. This also means the games can just drag on and on with no end in sight

[–] dylan604 1 day ago
What never happened that you didn't hear about World Series winners or that you didn't hear about the Brewers winning. There's a reason for the later, and as far as the former, well, it's two teams that aren't known for their post season appearances.
[–] anon7725 1 day ago
> it's two teams that aren't known for their post season appearances.

The Brewers have been in the postseason 8 of the last 9 years, and the Rays 6 of the last 9.

[–] speakspokespok 1 day ago
That the World Series was even on.
[–] stuart78 1 day ago
I (an extremely casual fan) forgot the series was on until yesterday's game but enjoyed the final two. I think it doesn't help that these are two 'regional' teams (compared to the Dodgers or Yankees). Good baseball just the same.
[–] LocalH 1 day ago
Tuesday's game was definitely the highlight of the series in terms of good baseball. Monday's game sucked ass, and I missed the first two, but tonight was like Tuesday lite. Tuesday night was some of the best baseball I have watched. I wish Tampa Bay had won a couple of more to give us a full series, but it was clear by the 7th that this game was over.

Context: I'm an adult fan of baseball that didn't like sports at all as a kid, so I developed no team loyalty. I'm all about good, exciting baseball whoever wins.

[–] veryfancy 1 day ago
The first two were more like Tuesday, without the extra innings.
[–] jaqalopes 1 day ago
You read a headline about it on a website less than an hour after it happened?
[–] cheschire 1 day ago
The World Series is a multi game, multi day event. This one started last Friday.
[–] jmyeet 1 day ago
Baseball in general is in long-term decline [1]. And of course football rules supreme. I try not to yuck someone else's yum and I'm not the biggest sports watcher in general but personally I find baseball to be boring. There's too many games. They go on for too long. Not much happens. I think the fandom, such that it is, is from older people with nostalgia from when it was a far bigger deal and when they probably grew up playing it themselves. The latter is increasingly being displaced by soccer

[1]: https://news.gallup.com/poll/714281/football-top-sport-socce...

[–] packetlost 1 day ago
I find this to be completely the opposite of my recent experience. The games are fast and with much better, consistent payoff than other sports such as football and soccer. Progress is far more discrete and there's basically always something happening except during inning or player changes. I agree that there are a lot of games, but that's a feature: you don't have to pay attention to every game. Because of the discrete nature of progress and the number of games you can get meaningful statistics out of a single season. I say this as a relatively young person (<30) who only loosely follows other sports.
[–] locknitpicker 1 day ago
> The games are fast and with much better, consistent payoff than other sports such as football and soccer.

Soccer is a slow burn where a game is always standing on a fragile equilibrium. Football and baseball are mainly boring because they are turn-based, with long periods of nothing happening between brief action moments.

Basketball is the only dominant US sports that matches soccer in terms of excitement and teams standing on a fragile equilibrium. Of course the NBA screws this up by stretching finals games into 7-game series, capping soccer-levels of excitement derived from winner-takes-all tournaments. It's no coincidence that NCAA tournaments manages to build up so much attention and such a dedicated following.

[–] packetlost 22 hours ago
I just... don't agree. Every pitch in baseball is exciting and there are almost 300 thrown in an average game, even if most end up with no progress. Meanwhile I find "fragile equilibrium" games to be boring as hell to watch, there's hardly any progress being made! I don't want to watch an abstracted tug of war drawn out over 3 hours.
[–] smelendez 1 day ago
With football it’s possible to watch every game, which I think better fits today’s model of fandom.

Baseball I get the sense people watched or listened to some, often while doing something else, and followed the rest in the newspaper or the evening news highlights.

[–] jimt1234 1 day ago
Both teams are small-ish markets. (Milwaukee is the smallest market.) Neither team has big-name players like Shohei Ohtani or Juan Soto. In other words, this was the series MLB didn't want, especially with the upcoming contracts talks.