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points by watwut 2 days ago | 0 comments
Imo, you dont even have to wait for deathbed. I have seen this exact philosophy on developer/tech/enterpreneur forums for years.

The same exact forums are super engaged with "loneliness epidemic we are all lonely" topic, where everyone other person describes difficulty in that area. Well, yeah, if you work all the time, you wont have real friends. And yeah, if all you focus on is competition, all you will have are competitors and frenemies. And no, friends will not magically pop out of nothing the moment you wish them to.

"Everyone who does not spend whole weekends and evenings coding/vibing/working/writing is lazy. Also it is society fault that I do not have friends and cant find a partner".

[–] cladopa 1 day ago
Imho when talking about women giving them too much time and attention is a bad idea. They don't value what is free and abundant.

When I was young and poor(but smart, beautiful and tall) I gave some women I was interested on too much time and attention and it looked like they were not interested t all. The women I gave the less attention (that I was not that interested in) usually got deeply in love with me and I had great time with them.

I am European, it is different from living in the US or Asia(I have also lived there). In the US you have way more opportunities professionally but people live isolated from each other. They don't have so many common spaces like in Europe.

Later when I got more money and status the women that ignored me came after me. They only valued my time and attention after it was zero. When I ignored them as I was genuinely busy they got in love as well.

I also made friends around the world easily and probably the best reason is because I already had friends and I did not need new ones.

The best way to make friends and lovers is not to need them at all. You make friends or lover when you don't try to make friends and people just have a great time with you.

So beware about thinking about idealistic ideas about life that have been never tested. There are things about humans that were decided when we were living in tribes.

[–] RugnirViking 1 day ago
I want to offer a counterpoint to the above. I think that for some people in some circumstance it is true, but you can absolutely have fulfilling relationships with people you spend a lot of time and attention on, both friends and romantic partners. I think a lot of people get stuck in the classic avoidant + anxious attachment styles, where people chase what they can't have, but thats not everyone.

I'm not sure how much I actually agree with attachment style theory, but I do observe the pattern parent points out in some people, that they chase people who are distant or unavailable. But its often unhealthy for both people

[–] 233mhz 1 day ago
Talking about women like you're a 14 year old incel is not a good thing fyi
[–] watwut 1 day ago
No, women are not machines where you put time in and affection falls out. And yes, women who have own lives do value ability to keep those lives after having partner. And yes, being clingy or needy (not saying you was but in general) is offputting.

All of these go vice versa too - not many men want women to be constantly by their hip. Too much attention from a woman is offputting to men too.

And still, if you work 60 hours a week and spend weekends coding/working/writing, you will break up, divorce or never find the partner in the first place. Because no woman will miraculously suddenly appear in your bed room. Which is what I was talking about.

[–] kakacik 1 day ago
A sad perspective, maybe rooted in good set of experiences, but it reeks of being sour, closed in injured person who is potentially not so mature emotionally. Good relationships take serious effort to create and sustain, approach of 'I don't need any of this' won't get you far with any decent folks. Maybe you overload the term 'friend' a bit.

I hope being wrong for your sake, but I've met such folks, brilliant in 1 very narrow direction but socials are lacking pretty badly.

Just 1 nitpick - women who care about you suddenly once you have some wealth and/or show off you have are not good partners, not even short term. Its obvious common knowledge yet when looking around its surprisingly often ignored.

Parent's claim are as old as human civilization, we are still just a bit better apes and what he wrote is still valid for 100% of the humans. It doesn't mean 100% will admit it, far from it.

[–] Ar-Curunir 1 day ago
What is this incelspeak
[–] plastic-enjoyer 1 day ago
> Everyone who does not spend whole weekends and evenings coding/vibing/working/writing is lazy. Also it is society fault that I do not have friends and cant find a partner

I think the idea is that devs find meaning in "the mission". You grind for a higher goal, not just a paycheck. That works for some places, like Musk's companies or academic research, where people actually believe in what they're building. But most software engineers are just cogs building the next app to make ads more efficient. The grindset just makes them better-oiled cogs until they burn out.

[–] watwut 1 day ago
> That works for some places, like Musk's companies

Those people are literally cogs in the machine. They dont do anything to make the world better, they are closer to what Enron guys were - people locked in self reinforcing system that is slowly changing them.

[–] Imustaskforhelp 1 day ago
One thing which has helped me is to genuinely wish good for others for the sake of it and helping them out in that.

Note: I worry if I am virtue-signalling or larping here because there are immense flaws and inconsistencies within me. I sometimes feel like there are just these thoughts that come in me but acting on them (consistently) is hard. Not too much time has passed for me to comment if it has become part of my identity or not but commenting it can help solidify it further and help others get to know me (which feels my need to be understood) or more importantly, perhaps can help a single person out there.

When otherwise I would think of competition and stop, I now DO try to speak the thing out loud which can help the other person. We all have our biases and if I as a person can help see the other bias and try to help them provided I try to not cross boundary or be pushy but just for the sake of helping. Then yeah, it is good.

Paraphrasing my brother here: "You can genuinely change people's (friends) lives within college. It's genuinely so powerful"

Also, I see many spirits of kindness from people of all walks of life and the world has been aside from a few occassions still a kind place to me in terms of giving me chances. It's cruel and kind at the same time but it's my world and I can try to make it a little better for my friends.

In that sense, "The world is a generous place", as Minhyong Kim said[0]

I sincerely believe that "How to measure your life" is a great book which has a piece of logical advice which did change my interpretation of it (so much so that I wrote the entire page and pasted it on my front desk). I highly recommend reading that book [Along with How to win friends and influence people and Deep work, I wish to read em all and moreso act on them now]

Here's what the page said:

I genuinely believe that relationships with family and friends are one of the greatest sources of happiness in life. It sounds simple but like any important investment, these relationships need constant attention and care (...)

You'll be tempted to invest your resources elsewhere but if you don't nurture these relationships, they won't be there to support you in hardships or as one of the most important sources of happiness in your life.

My interpretation: Balance is necessary and understand the important of family and friends as the society around us is underweighing the genuine importance of it and as the culture around it is focused on not paying importance to it (and rewarding that behaviour).

Appreciate your family and friends and don't take for granted.

Take an Action (Knowledge means fundamentally nothing if you don't act on it): Try to do something which can show the appreciation that you have for friends and family and show it within words and tell it to them.

If it can help you take some action, I have messaged two of my brothers while writing this comment appreciating them.

[0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH_UM9TDJ-c&t=588s